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Post by ztrack on Feb 28, 2017 21:52:17 GMT -5
AMERICAN Z LINE March 2017 New Release – Part 1 EMD GP30 – Conrail  62108-1 Conrail GP30 2178 62108-2 Conrail GP30 2204 62108-3 Conrail GP30 2233 NEW BODY STYLES – Amtrak AmFleet II and Viewliner Cars! AZL’s is excited to release are all new AmFleet II coaches and Viewliner sleeper cars! These cars are must haves for the modern passenger fleets running the rails today. We have single cars and three packs available. AmFleet II coaches – Phase IVb  72025-1 Amtrak AmFleet II coach 25003 Phase IV b 72025-2 Amtrak AmFleet II coach 25024 Phase IV b 72025-3 Amtrak AmFleet II coach 25035 Phase IV b AmFleet II Cafe – Phase IVb  72026-1 Amtrak AmFleet II Cafe 28004 Phase IV b 72026-2 Amtrak AmFleet II Cafe 28015 Phase IV b Viewliner sleeper – Phase IVb  72030-1 Amtrak Viewliner sleeper 62049 Phase IV b 72030-2 Amtrak Viewliner sleeper 62025 Phase IV b 72030-3 Amtrak Viewliner sleeper 62028 Phase IV b Sets:  72075-1 Amtrak AmFleet II 3 pack Coach 25102, Coach 25120, Viewliner sleeper 62001. Phase IV b  72075-2 Amtrak AmFleet II 3 pack Coach 25108, Cafe 28014, Viewliner sleeper 62036 Phase IV b Amtrak Licensed Products. Amtrak is a registered service mark of the National Railroad Passenger Corporation. See the American Z Line sites for more information on these and other AZL products. www.americanzline.comwww.azldirect.comRob Kluz Ztrack Distribution |
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Post by dawdawes on Mar 1, 2017 17:57:37 GMT -5
All very nice,but modern again, come on guys older please, oh I have ordered a Conrail GP30 from Mech models in the UK, 1976 on, just about right
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Post by MP Fan on Mar 11, 2017 18:19:37 GMT -5
just received several Amfleet passenger cars.....the trucks do not roll well on the Rokuhan track.....in fact, they do not roll at all.....there is a problem.....this is the first purchase of mine from AZL that has not been close to perfection......this is 180 degrees from perfection......anybody have the same problem.....help greatly appreciated......the wheels just don't turn well......thanks
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Post by markm on Mar 11, 2017 20:20:52 GMT -5
just received several Amfleet passenger cars.....the trucks do not roll well on the Rokuhan track.....in fact, they do not roll at all.....there is a problem.....this is the first purchase of mine from AZL that has not been close to perfection......this is 180 degrees from perfection......anybody have the same problem.....help greatly appreciated......the wheels just don't turn well......thanks I don't have the Amfleet, but I do have the Superliners, which I assume have the same trucks. On the Superliners I had a similar problem. I found on arrival that the point of the wheels were not fully engaged in the sockets on the truck side frames. One I got them fully engaged, they roll perfectly. Holding a car on a cloth surface, turn a car over. Do the axles look straight? Can you roll the wheels with you finger? Be careful, if the wheels aren't fully engaged they may pop off and you'll appreciate working on a cloth. You might want to create an account here: it's free and would make a bad-and-forth discussion easier. Mark |
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Post by Rob Albritton on Mar 11, 2017 22:16:49 GMT -5
just received several Amfleet passenger cars.....the trucks do not roll well on the Rokuhan track.....in fact, they do not roll at all.....there is a problem.....this is the first purchase of mine from AZL that has not been close to perfection......this is 180 degrees from perfection......anybody have the same problem.....help greatly appreciated......the wheels just don't turn well......thanks Please contact us using customer support and we will be happy to take care of the problem. azlforum.com/thread/631/azl-customer-support |
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Post by DAZed on Mar 12, 2017 23:39:27 GMT -5
just received several Amfleet passenger cars.....the trucks do not roll well on the Rokuhan track.....in fact, they do not roll at all.....there is a problem.....this is the first purchase of mine from AZL that has not been close to perfection......this is 180 degrees from perfection......anybody have the same problem.....help greatly appreciated......the wheels just don't turn well......thanks I don't have the Amfleet, but I do have the Superliners, which I assume have the same trucks. Mark Not the same trucks. |
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Post by shamoo737 on Mar 12, 2017 23:57:55 GMT -5
Actually, even the amfleet cars and the viewliners have different trucks. The amfleet cars have one feature that surprised me. It has power pickups.
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Post by DAZed on Mar 13, 2017 10:31:23 GMT -5
just received several Amfleet passenger cars.....the trucks do not roll well on the Rokuhan track.....in fact, they do not roll at all.....there is a problem.....this is the first purchase of mine from AZL that has not been close to perfection......this is 180 degrees from perfection......anybody have the same problem.....help greatly appreciated......the wheels just don't turn well......thanks I will say, the "inside bearing" trucks on the Amfleets are difficult to engineer for scale models. Same issue has existed in N-scale and even HO I think for many years. The original Bachmann Amfleet cars in N flat did not roll. They got the nickname "AmSleds" as a result. The newer versions from Bachmann and Kato were only slightly better. So there's a good chance that these will need a little more TLC than your typical car, and probably not something worth beating AZL up over since their counterparts have had similar results. I do not have any of the AZL Amfleet cars so I can't comment as to what will help them, but I'm guessing their design is not too dissimilar from the later Kato or Bachmann cars in N so searching for "N-Scale Amfleet Improve" might yield some good ideas. The good news is, typically Amfleet consists weren't very long, so even if they don't roll well the P42 will still probably drag a handful of them along nicely.  (and you'll have some nice burnished railheads to boot!) That's how it played out in N....I bought a Kato P42 because they were such beautiful locos and great runners but they hadn't released Superliners yet so I bought some of the old Bachmann Amfleet cars and just dragged the Amsleds all around our club layout.  |
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Post by shamoo737 on Mar 13, 2017 10:41:36 GMT -5
just received several Amfleet passenger cars.....the trucks do not roll well on the Rokuhan track.....in fact, they do not roll at all.....there is a problem.....this is the first purchase of mine from AZL that has not been close to perfection......this is 180 degrees from perfection......anybody have the same problem.....help greatly appreciated......the wheels just don't turn well......thanks I don't have the Amfleet, but I do have the Superliners, which I assume have the same trucks. On the Superliners I had a similar problem. I found on arrival that the point of the wheels were not fully engaged in the sockets on the truck side frames. One I got them fully engaged, they roll perfectly. Holding a car on a cloth surface, turn a car over. Do the axles look straight? Can you roll the wheels with you finger? Be careful, if the wheels aren't fully engaged they may pop off and you'll appreciate working on a cloth. You might want to create an account here: it's free and would make a bad-and-forth discussion easier. Mark Even though it's not the same truck, it could be the same problem. |
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Post by zscalehobo on Mar 13, 2017 16:31:54 GMT -5
just received several Amfleet passenger cars.....the trucks do not roll well on the Rokuhan track.....in fact, they do not roll at all.....there is a problem.....this is the first purchase of mine from AZL that has not been close to perfection......this is 180 degrees from perfection......anybody have the same problem.....help greatly appreciated......the wheels just don't turn well......thanks Quick check of 3 Amfleet cars in my possession. I found two that had trucks that were too tight. One was so tight that the truck was skewed out of parallel with the car. The two had trouble staying on the track (Rokuhan, Marklin, Atlas, MTL - no matter which track you used, it was going to be a problem). Loosened them up and they run fine. @rob/Hans - Maybe a torque spec is required? |
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Post by Rob Albritton on Mar 13, 2017 16:34:48 GMT -5
I will say, the "inside bearing" trucks on the Amfleets are difficult to engineer for scale models. Same issue has existed in N-scale and even HO I think for many years. The original Bachmann Amfleet cars in N flat did not roll. They got the nickname "AmSleds" as a result. The newer versions from Bachmann and Kato were only slightly better. So there's a good chance that these will need a little more TLC than your typical car, and probably not something worth beating AZL up over since their counterparts have had similar results. I do not have any of the AZL Amfleet cars so I can't comment as to what will help them, but I'm guessing their design is not too dissimilar from the later Kato or Bachmann cars in N so searching for "N-Scale Amfleet Improve" might yield some good ideas. The good news is, typically Amfleet consists weren't very long, so even if they don't roll well the P42 will still probably drag a handful of them along nicely. (and you'll have some nice burnished railheads to boot!) That's how it played out in N....I bought a Kato P42 because they were such beautiful locos and great runners but they hadn't released Superliners yet so I bought some of the old Bachmann Amfleet cars and just dragged the Amsleds all around our club layout. This is a very insightful and accurate post. In fact, we re-engineered the trucks twice to get them to roll. They have about twice the drag as a "normal" car, but that's a success compared to other scales. The inside bearing trucks are a real bear to produce. But yes - the P42 pulls them well - as seen in this video: |
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Post by Rob Albritton on Mar 13, 2017 16:39:03 GMT -5
@rob/Hans - Maybe a torque spec is required? Torque Spec for the Amfleets is a little like pornography: hard to define, but you will know it when you see it - because it will feel good. |
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Post by zscalehobo on Mar 13, 2017 16:48:50 GMT -5
Rob: what is up with the wipers (metal strips in the wheels/trucks) on the Amfleets? See photo Viewliner at top, Amfleet at bottom.  |
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Post by tjdreams on Mar 13, 2017 17:07:38 GMT -5
Frank from your picture it looks like The Viewliner Wheel sets are held in place and spin on the needle point on the outside of the wheel set
The Amfleete are held in place and rotate in the "Wipers" between the wheel set. My guess is that the thin brass "wiper" as you call it would have less drag on the axle than a plastic bearing of sorts would be.
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Post by catt on Mar 13, 2017 19:16:23 GMT -5
To get my inside bearing cars to roll better (Z,N,HO) I pulled the wheel sets and reamed the hole enough to put a chamfer on it so that the axle to truck frame is minimal less contact area less rolling resistance.I can actually pull 10 cars with one P-42 in both N and HO.I don't have 10 Z scale coaches.
The main thing is to watch how much material you are removing so that you only chamfer the hole not enlarge it.If you have electrical contact strips that rub on the axles ajust them so that the just make contact this will also make your cars roll easier.
This works very well for me YMMV.
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(and you'll have some nice burnished railheads to boot!) That's how it played out in N....I bought a Kato P42 because they were such beautiful locos and great runners but they hadn't released Superliners yet so I bought some of the old Bachmann Amfleet cars and just dragged the Amsleds all around our club layout. 
