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Post by cwrr on Mar 10, 2024 10:39:17 GMT -5
Wow, that's a lot of UP!
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Post by husafreak on Mar 11, 2024 12:45:38 GMT -5
Looking back at the Heritage scheme, knowing I would have bought one given the chance, and I am curious why you would only make 50? I'm no businessman but I'm sure you knew you could sell many more. Maybe they were actually sold at a loss, or maybe it is good to produce "unobtainable" special items from time to time to generate sales and brand status. Heck, I don't know, Please note I have no issue with this policy, you made a superlative loco and make us Z scalers proud!
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Post by loco5150 on Mar 12, 2024 13:21:37 GMT -5
Any thoughts of pre-orders as other vendors offer? Only 50 units seem to limit only one order per state (for example) and the rest of the world misses out entirely. I missed out on the first one because I was on the road on a work trip, and now I have to wait a few years before the next release? Not a great vendor/customer policy in my opinion. You've probably disappointed more customers than satisfied.
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Post by zscalehobo on Mar 12, 2024 14:31:19 GMT -5
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Post by DAZed on Mar 12, 2024 16:23:43 GMT -5
In AZL's defense...you really just never know what is gonna be a homerun like the Spirit of UP. For every 10 saying they missed out, maybe only 2 or 3 might have actually bought one. So AZL may have made 100 and sold 63. Or maybe they made 75, sold 'em all, and still have folks missing out.
I remember a story that Frank Angstead of Intermountain told at his (very informative) presentations at various train shows over the years. He said that Intermountain did a run of cylindrical hoppers (this was N or HO...many years before their failed Z experiment) and they sold out almost immediately. So Intermountain figured "hey, we have a gold mine here" and did an even larger second run...which proceeded to sell about 10% of the first run. Turns out, they pretty much pegged their market exactly perfect the first time around. It was a very expensive mistake and many lessons learned. One of the biggest being: assuming that because they sold out, there was some massive desire for more. After the dust settled they acknowledged that nobody was really letting them know they wanted more.
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Post by Eric on Mar 14, 2024 9:34:32 GMT -5
I've seen it! 6017
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Post by DAZed on Mar 14, 2024 10:39:46 GMT -5
If they'd run the previous tooling for the UP Heritage MP and MKT, BNSF, UP, and UP George Bush I'd buy them all today, even though I have probably close to 3k worth of Z-scale and N-scale hitting the books over the next 6-12 months. That would be a serious budget deficit, but I'd do it. Well, in the "eyes bigger than my stomach" department... I actually had a chance to purchase all of the aforementioned except for the standard cab UP SD70ACe, and I couldn't get it done. So, a good example of what happens...you think you want something but then the timing doesn't work quite right and you realize the financial reach just isn't worth it. So here I am in front of a nice second helping of crow. In fairness, I didn't dream that it would happen within a week, and with the BN SD40-2 release looming.
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Post by arsenix2001 on Mar 14, 2024 10:59:10 GMT -5
If they'd run the previous tooling for the UP Heritage MP and MKT, BNSF, UP, and UP George Bush I'd buy them all today, even though I have probably close to 3k worth of Z-scale and N-scale hitting the books over the next 6-12 months. That would be a serious budget deficit, but I'd do it. Well, in the "eyes bigger than my stomach" department... I actually had a chance to purchase all of the aforementioned except for the standard cab UP SD70ACe, and I couldn't get it done. So, a good example of what happens...you think you want something but then the timing doesn't work quite right and you realize the financial reach just isn't worth it. So here I am in front of a nice second helping of crow. In fairness, I didn't dream that it would happen within a week, and with the BN SD40-2 release looming. Curious, what is the reasoning for wanting the old tooling vs the new? I have to say the spirit runs smoother than the existing SD70's I have, although not a huge fan of the blind wheel set. I saw the opportunity you mentioned as well but was out of my price range and couldn't justify the cost.
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Post by DAZed on Mar 14, 2024 11:32:07 GMT -5
Excellent question! The older tooling has different features which fit my era better, to wit... 1. They have the older white GPS dome vs the newer PTC antenna array. This is suprisingly noticeable, even in Z. 2. The first round of SD70ACe's offered the original cab configuration, which did not have the prototype's noise isolation feature, signified by a seam running across/around the nose of the locomotive. 3. The numbering for the BNSF and UP locos represents the earliest production runs, and thus aligns with my era better. That one is less noticeable than the first two, but still is evident in photos. In my era (around 2007) the SD70ACe's are pretty much brand new. So, having the early numbers and other physical characteristics of the early production ACe's are nice details to pay attention to. Adhesion to a particular era and locale is not something everyone is interested in, and I fully support ALL the ways that modelers choose to enjoy this great hobby. However, it is also very much a large part of my enjoyment of the hobby, to research and try to get as close as I can. That can be tough in Z sometimes, but I have a healthy acceptance that there are always going to be compromises. Are the above items MAJOR issues? No. But will I try to find the older tooling versus the newer run? Yes. The ACe's aren't an integral piece of the puzzle for me...they're a nice-to-have, and provide a little more variety to the roster. I actually hadn't considered any changes in the mechanism like the blind drivers. I don't have enough information to know if that is a help or hindrance, but either way it won't sway my preference for the older locos.
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Post by arsenix2001 on Mar 14, 2024 13:41:10 GMT -5
Excellent question! The older tooling has different features which fit my era better, to wit... 1. They have the older white GPS dome vs the newer PTC antenna array. This is suprisingly noticeable, even in Z. 2. The first round of SD70ACe's offered the original cab configuration, which did not have the prototype's noise isolation feature, signified by a seam running across/around the nose of the locomotive. 3. The numbering for the BNSF and UP locos represents the earliest production runs, and thus aligns with my era better. That one is less noticeable than the first two, but still is evident in photos. In my era (around 2007) the SD70ACe's are pretty much brand new. So, having the early numbers and other physical characteristics of the early production ACe's are nice details to pay attention to. Adhesion to a particular era and locale is not something everyone is interested in, and I fully support ALL the ways that modelers choose to enjoy this great hobby. However, it is also very much a large part of my enjoyment of the hobby, to research and try to get as close as I can. That can be tough in Z sometimes, but I have a healthy acceptance that there are always going to be compromises. Are the above items MAJOR issues? No. But will I try to find the older tooling versus the newer run? Yes. The ACe's aren't an integral piece of the puzzle for me...they're a nice-to-have, and provide a little more variety to the roster. I actually hadn't considered any changes in the mechanism like the blind drivers. I don't have enough information to know if that is a help or hindrance, but either way it won't sway my preference for the older locos. Totally understand and makes sense. It was only getting into z this time after being in n scale for a while that I at least tried to stick to a prototypical road name and scenery decor. It does make it seem more realistic. My layout is mainly based around CN but do have a soft spot for the Chessie System, so you might catch a weathered version traversing a short line short on cash every once and a while.🙂
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Post by Eric on Mar 14, 2024 20:28:25 GMT -5
New locos are now live. BNSF ES44AC 25th Anniversary and 3 BN SD40-2s.
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Post by Eric on Mar 14, 2024 20:42:24 GMT -5
So far, the BN SD40-2s are only at uszscale.com. Nothing yet on the ES44s.
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Post by Eric on Mar 14, 2024 20:53:08 GMT -5
uszscale.com has the ES44 now. Just purchased one. Thanks, AZL.
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Post by loco5150 on Mar 14, 2024 21:14:59 GMT -5
I just bought my ES44 as well!
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Post by tikigrotto on Mar 14, 2024 21:52:35 GMT -5
Just got mine!
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