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Post by ztrack on Mar 14, 2021 8:44:36 GMT -5
AMERICAN Z LINE March 2021 New Releases Part 2 EMD F7 – Western Pacific – Two versions! For March, AZL is releasing two versions of the Western Pacific EMD F7. The silver and orange version is available in both a A&B set as well as a single A. The green and orange version is available as As only, each with a different road number. Silver and orange:  63008-1 WP EMD F7A & F7B 920A, 921B A - B Set  63008-2 WP EMD F7A 920D Green and orange:  63015-1 WP EMD F7A 918 63015-2 WP EMD F7A 921 The EMD F7s feature prototypical details, a 7mm motor, directional controlled LED, blackened metal wheels, optional replacement truck with truck mounted coupler, draw bar (A units only) and come DCC ready. See the American Z Line site for more information on these and other AZL products. www.azldirect.comRob Kluz Ztrack Distribution |
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Post by Commodore on Mar 14, 2021 8:56:32 GMT -5
Thanks for these! Is there a California Zephyr version on the horizon?
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Post by markm on Mar 14, 2021 9:32:16 GMT -5
Thanks for these! Is there a California Zephyr version on the horizon? Sorry but WP never (from my research) ran F7s on the CZ, only two FP-7As: 804A & 805A. I'd be a bit disappointed if AZL tried to fake it. By the way: azlforum.com/post/21762Perhaps the meek will inherit the Earth, or at least the F7s.  |
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Post by sjl on Mar 14, 2021 10:10:06 GMT -5
Does this mean we will not be seeing green B units? I need to plan my buying accordingly!
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Post by markm on Mar 14, 2021 10:24:54 GMT -5
Does this mean we will not be seeing green B units? I need to plan my buying accordingly! I can't speak for AZL's plans, but I'm not aware of any prototype B units in green. |
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Post by sjl on Mar 14, 2021 10:32:24 GMT -5
Does this mean we will not be seeing green B units? I need to plan my buying accordingly! I can't speak for AZL's plans, but I'm not aware of any prototype B units in green. So that answers that! Thanks. |
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Post by Hans Riddervold (AZL) on Mar 14, 2021 13:14:46 GMT -5
No, there will not be a CZ link. As stated, no F7s pulled the CZ. WP used F3s and FP7s. We did not tool the FP and it is a slightly longer locomotive that the F.
I could also not find any green F7Bs in my research. Maybe we will do the full Orange paint scheme down the line.
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Post by BAZman on Mar 14, 2021 13:38:51 GMT -5
There is a picture of 3 green B's with what looks like 91(x) behind silver and orange 913, in Ed Mackinson's "Western Pacific Power (in Color)". Dated July 1978, just after the Niles Canyon Wye's San Jose Sub. Doesn't say if they were F3 repaints (probably) but a few of us have some books to look thru. But it's sunny and warming, wife and I have our shots and the region just reopened so we can go see the Z stuff I donated to the California State Railroad Museum. www.californiarailroad.museum/ |
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Post by Commodore on Mar 14, 2021 14:14:09 GMT -5
Does this mean we will not be seeing green B units? I need to plan my buying accordingly! Plan? Buying? Used in the same sentence....?? |
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Post by Curn on Mar 14, 2021 14:38:22 GMT -5
There goes my tax refund.
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Post by markm on Mar 14, 2021 16:42:31 GMT -5
A little bit of history for these locomotives. WP purchased these locomotives in 1950-51 as A-B-B-A sets and delivered in the Zephyr paint scheme. The notable spotting difference between these earlier F7s is the intake grills. By the 1960s, in a cost cutting measure the paint scheme was simplified, replacing silver with orange and extending the roof black to the intake grills, over the cab and it's window frames: www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1827757Although seldom modeled, this is probably the most common scheme for the F7s. Throughout the 1960s, with the need for more power, WP started using F7s, particularly the B units as trade-in for U-boats and GPs. This started in 1965 and by the early 1970s the F7 fleet has been reduced to 4 units: 913, 917, 918, 921, sometime called the Fabulous "Fab" Four. These units ran as an A-A-A-A set (two forward, two backwards) the Stockton/San Jose, Stockton/Milpitas turns. The former being mixed merchandise, and the later to the Ford plant with parts in and autoracks out. In 1970 Alfred Perlman became President. During his tenure the alphabetic suffix on locomotives disappeared due to computerization, and the Perlman Green paint scheme was implemented. For the Fab 4 all but 913 eventually received this scheme. 913 was repainted in a modified Zephyr scheme which lasted into the UP merger. So in the 1970s it was common to see consists such as: www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=390788All four locomotives are preserved at California museums. Hope this was of interest, Mark Since AZL has produced two of the Fab 4, it would be appreciated if somewhere down the track they could come up with a Zephyr paint 913 and an orange 917. Mark |
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Post by markm on Mar 14, 2021 19:30:30 GMT -5
There goes my tax refund. There’s still the stimulus. |
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Post by gerd on Mar 14, 2021 20:48:44 GMT -5
A little bit of history for these locomotives. WP purchased these locomotives in 1950-51 as A-B-B-A sets and delivered in the Zephyr paint scheme. The notable spotting difference between these earlier F7s is the intake grills. By the 1960s, in a cost cutting measure the paint scheme was simplified, replacing silver with orange and extending the roof black to the intake grills, over the cab and it's window frames: www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1827757Although seldom modeled, this is probably the most common scheme for the F7s. Throughout the 1960s, with the need for more power, WP started using F7s, particularly the B units as trade-in for U-boats and GPs. This started in 1965 and by the early 1970s the F7 fleet has been reduced to 4 units: 913, 917, 918, 921, sometime called the Fabulous "Fab" Four. These units ran as an A-A-A-A set (two forward, two backwards) the Stockton/San Jose, Stockton/Milpitas turns. The former being mixed merchandise, and the later to the Ford plant with parts in and autoracks out. In 1970 Alfred Perlman became President. During his tenure the alphabetic suffix on locomotives disappeared due to computerization, and the Perlman Green paint scheme was implemented. For the Fab 4 all but 913 eventually received this scheme. 913 was repainted in a modified Zephyr scheme which lasted into the UP merger. So in the 1970s it was common to see consists such as: www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=390788All four locomotives are preserved at California museums. Hope this was of interest, Mark Since AZL has produced two of the Fab 4, it would be appreciated if somewhere down the track they could come up with a Zephyr paint 913 and an orange 917. Mark So that actually means the above shown 920 has not a prototypical paint scheme? Should be numbered 913 |
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Post by markm on Mar 15, 2021 4:20:34 GMT -5
Gerd,
Currently I'm away from home and I'm limited to the reference material on my notebook and a few references I trust on line. Should the modelled 921D be 913? No. 921D (from the number board) was wrecked in 11/71 and sold off. It's companion A unit, 921A, was renumbered 913A and eventually 913.
Is it prototypically correct? I'm not sure. All WP F7s in the Zephyr scheme had their road number painted down low by the back door in 3" lettering. The larger road number without it's suffix letter seems to appear only on units in museums. I need to get back to my printed and video material to confirm prototypes.
In the meantime, I'd love to see the reference AZL used. It may well be that like the GP7, they found a paint scheme I was unaware of, increasing the count of WP variations to 16!
Mark
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Post by Hans Riddervold (AZL) on Mar 15, 2021 5:25:43 GMT -5
We chose to avoid the WP F7 in Zephyr paint scheme. All photos we have of that paint scheme shows the FP7, not F7. And yes we will be happy to do a Pumpkin 913, 914 or 917 down the road.
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