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Post by Commodore on Jun 8, 2020 19:29:00 GMT -5
Yes, a complete new one that might be days (minutes?) away from crumbling in your hands. And if you're talking the new post-2016 "non-crumbling" version, then you don't need to (and can't) upgrade anyway. And, besides the shell, it *is* a complete new locomotive. (at least that is what they are advertising.) That's sort of the rub though, right? That's kinda important for those of us with ATSF locos, or UP, et al. Otherwise you're color matching paint, etc. Can it be done, sure. Is it worth $40 to avoid that headache...yep, to me it is. (obviously the extra $45 international shipping charge stings a bit and might make it more of a decision point...totally get that.) So: $100 already spent for old run with metal frame that may or may not fail + $40 (or $85) for new chassis + $15 for pilot that comes with newer runs + $35 for extra truck that comes with newer runs = $190 spent to end up with 1 upgraded GP38-2 (or $235 if not domestic) Vs. $100 for old run + $100 for new run = $200 spent for one old run GP38-2 and one new run GP38-2 WTF? You forgot return postage 😂
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Post by cjm413 on Jun 8, 2020 20:38:03 GMT -5
So: $100 already spent for old run with metal frame that may or may not fail + $40 (or $85) for new chassis + $15 for pilot that comes with newer runs + $35 for extra truck that comes with newer runs = $190 spent to end up with 1 upgraded GP38-2 (or $235 if not domestic) Vs. $100 for old run + $100 for new run = $200 spent for one old run GP38-2 and one new run GP38-2 WTF? You forgot return postage 😂 Yes I did... I should probably add a few more ?'s after WTF? 😎
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Post by fulingyu on Jun 8, 2020 21:22:46 GMT -5
Rob, a quick question:
The replacement chassis part number for UP is 62599-2 Grey Fuel Tank & Grey Trucks. I was looking at my new UP GP38-2 62508-5 and it's chassis is Grey Fuel Tank & SILVER Trucks; which looks a lot better than Grey & Grey IMHO. Can we get the new Grey & Silver chassis for our old UP locos?
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Post by dazed on Jun 8, 2020 22:48:34 GMT -5
So: $100 already spent for old run with metal frame that may or may not fail + $40 (or $85) for new chassis + $15 for pilot that comes with newer runs + $35 for extra truck that comes with newer runs = $190 spent to end up with 1 upgraded GP38-2 (or $235 if not domestic) Vs. $100 for old run + $100 for new run = $200 spent for one old run GP38-2 and one new run GP38-2 WTF?
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Post by dazed on Jun 8, 2020 22:59:19 GMT -5
Rob, a quick question: The replacement chassis part number for UP is 62599-2 Grey Fuel Tank & Grey Trucks. I was looking at my new UP GP38-2 62508-5 and it's chassis is Grey Fuel Tank & SILVER Trucks; which looks a lot better than Grey & Grey IMHO. Can we get the new Grey & Silver chassis for our old UP locos?
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Post by fulingyu on Jun 8, 2020 23:59:53 GMT -5
Rob, a quick question: The replacement chassis part number for UP is 62599-2 Grey Fuel Tank & Grey Trucks. I was looking at my new UP GP38-2 62508-5 and it's chassis is Grey Fuel Tank & SILVER Trucks; which looks a lot better than Grey & Grey IMHO. Can we get the new Grey & Silver chassis for our old UP locos? I had a similar question about the ATSF mech...it looks more like black fuel tank and light gray (undec?) trucks versus the nice looking silver trucks my ATSF loco had. I was awaiting my shipment to see what they looked like in person, but I feel your pain. I do think that the UP locos may be correct in both cases. I think the early UP units had a more silver look to them versus later on they were body color. I concede I could be completely wrong about that, but it seems some of the photos I've seen bare that out. And that also certainly doesn't mean that you don't have the right to prefer them that way, but possibly does explain why they were done that way from AZL's perspective. Doug, Thanks for reminding me about a discussion held earlier about silver versus grey versus aluminum trucks. See this post So while AZL may be correct in having both grey/grey and grey/silver, I was just inquiring if it was possible to get the grey/silver for replacements.
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Post by cjm413 on Jun 9, 2020 0:23:39 GMT -5
Rob, a quick question: The replacement chassis part number for UP is 62599-2 Grey Fuel Tank & Grey Trucks. I was looking at my new UP GP38-2 62508-5 and it's chassis is Grey Fuel Tank & SILVER Trucks; which looks a lot better than Grey & Grey IMHO. Can we get the new Grey & Silver chassis for our old UP locos? FYI utahrails.net/up/up-diesel-paint-merger-era.php
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Post by cjm413 on Jun 9, 2020 1:01:57 GMT -5
So: $100 already spent for old run with metal frame that may or may not fail + $40 (or $85) for new chassis + $15 for pilot that comes with newer runs + $35 for extra truck that comes with newer runs = $190 spent to end up with 1 upgraded GP38-2 (or $235 if not domestic) Vs. $100 for old run + $100 for new run = $200 spent for one old run GP38-2 and one new run GP38-2 WTF? For me, it's hedging bets. I can't currently get an ATSF mech with black fuel tank and silver trucks so there is no new loco I can buy for that combo. I also have a UP and an Undec that both frames fell apart. For $120, all three are in business with current non-crumbling mechs. I can feel confident installing decoders in them and keep them around for a bit hopefully. I have an average of $85 in these three locos, (the undec was $50) so I'm sitting at $125 each after the trade-in. So even with the $50 parts upgrades I'm at $175...still $25 ahead in your scenario. There's probably some validity to selling off the extra shells to offset that, but again I'm spending well over $300 now versus $120 and still don't have the right trucks for the Santa Fe loco, have to deal with eBay to sell the shells, etc. My current layout is small and me having the extra parts isn't mandatory for now. I won't be building my next layout for at least another 4-5 years probably, so that $180 will probably be big enough to buy me three more locos by then. Do I wish AZL would stand by their products and just send them to me? Yes. But they aren't ever going to be that company. That ship has sailed. The fact that they are making spare parts available at all is a small miracle. Coming from N where most companies go above and beyond, it has been an adjustment. You either complain about it or you suck it up and move on. I'm just going to leave this right here: lombardhobby.com/atlas-master-n-40-002-749-gp38-dcc-ready-santa-fe-atsf-2339/
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Post by ztrack on Jun 9, 2020 5:57:03 GMT -5
So: Do I wish AZL would stand by their products and just send them to me? Yes. But they aren't ever going to be that company. That ship has sailed. The fact that they are making spare parts available at all is a small miracle. Coming from N where most companies go above and beyond, it has been an adjustment. You either complain about it or you suck it up and move on. Doug your statement is not factual. AZL has stood by the locos and has been sending replacement chassis free to customers for years. We will continue to do so if you don’t want the upgrade. This is the chassis only. Not the trucks or motor. AZL has been that company. If you want replacement chassis without the upgrade just email me. I have plenty of spare chassis available.
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Post by dazed on Jun 9, 2020 6:30:47 GMT -5
Removed because the moderator changes did not accurately reflect the intent of the post.
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Post by Commodore on Jun 9, 2020 10:45:08 GMT -5
Removed because the moderator changes did not accurately reflect the intent of the post. i slept in and missed the whole thing ☺️
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Post by Commodore on Jun 9, 2020 10:49:11 GMT -5
You forgot return postage 😂 Yes I did... I should probably add a few more ?'s after WTF? 😎 if you did ...3 of these ? In a row works to get the emoji
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Post by cjm413 on Jun 9, 2020 11:29:28 GMT -5
That's an n-scale loco, that chassis probably won't fit my Z-scale one. If you're suggesting that I go back to N-scale, it's still very much a possibility. For what it is worth, I never left N scale and am considering Z as an alternative to build a small hollow-core door layout until I have more space to build something larger in N. If you are looking to rejoin those of us that have remained loyal to the Dark Side, Atlas also makes a nice Phase I GP39-2 in ATSF in addition to their GP38. trovestardata.com/images/Collections/4/items/147/147520_19.jpgAtlas has also announced a Phase II GP38-2 (ex-Life-Like/Walthers) and a Phase II GP39-2 as well...
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Post by cjm413 on Jun 9, 2020 12:20:36 GMT -5
Doug your statement is not factual. AZL has stood by the locos and has been sending replacement chassis free to customers for years. We will continue to do so if you don’t want the upgrade. This is the chassis only. Not the trucks or motor. AZL has been that company. If you want replacement chassis without the upgrade just email me. I have plenty of spare chassis available. 1) Is the replacement chassis without the motor or trucks for units that have already suffered from a deadly case of frame-crumble-itis or for any older run units that still have intact frames, but still have some degree of risk that they may fail at a later date? 2) Aside from the extent that my early-run GP38-2 chassis may suffer from frame-crumble-itis at some point in the future, the only issue I've had to date is stalling whenever the electrical contacts between the circuit boards and frame halves become loose. Would the replacement frames without motors or trucks address also this issue as well?
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Post by ztrack on Jun 9, 2020 12:31:31 GMT -5
Correct. So if you have a chassis that had degraded, and do not want to opt in for the upgrade, just email me. I will need proof of the damage such as photo. We are only doing this for the degraded chassis. The parts are from the first run that do not have the condition. Frankly, it appears that if the chassis has not started to degrade at this point, it likely won't.
Drop me an email at ztrack@aol.com or rob@ztrack.com and we can troubleshoot the board and work out the details for the chassis.
Rob
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