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Post by markm on Apr 29, 2021 11:03:57 GMT -5
For WP the only thing that pops out to me is that the horn should be bidirectional at the front of the cab like UP, SP.  Pilot should have safety stripes, but can't tell from this image. I'd buy them. For the terminally obsessed: 1501 worked the San Francisco docks. 1502, 1503 worked the Oakland yard. Mark |
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Post by pcrail on Apr 29, 2021 14:14:26 GMT -5
Nice, I'll take one of each: CSX, Penn Central and Conrail for starters.....
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Post by sjl on Apr 29, 2021 14:18:16 GMT -5
AZL has done Penn Central rolling stock, but never a loco I believe, not counting heritage .... (cue Rob K. to tell me about the brass GP30 in 1995...)
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Post by Curn on Apr 29, 2021 16:32:52 GMT -5
General Iuuse: Only the UP unit has fuel tanks. All other models are missing the fuel tanks. I assume the final models will include this important detail! I'll tackle WP and SP Roman Units, as those are the ones I plan on buying. The WP units kind of depend on what year you are modeling. I assume, these are as delivered? 1: Recommend matching paint with the Green/Orane F7s. 2: Horn: As delivered, single forward facing horn on cab front. Later, 5 chime on forward roof. I Prefer the 5 chime. 3: Handrail Paint: Into Cab. The handrails leading into the cab are green, not orange. 4: Steps Leading into Cab: Original they are all green. On the #1503 2014 Repaint has orange step stripes. 5: Fireman side (Not shown in AZL artwork) has fine print lettering reading. "ENGINE WATER FILL INSIDE" "ENGINE START BUTTON INSIDE" and "FIRE EXTINGUISHER INSIDE". On 1501, the "FIRE EXTINGUISHER INSIDE" lettering is between "Wester Pacific" where as on 1502 and 1503, it is under the P in "Pacific" Edit: I'm looking at other HO Models of this engine, at I'm not 100% sure what these things say. I'm basing this off the 2014 museum repaint. I see an SP model with slightly different wording for these labels. 6: Pilot handrails have and orange chain in the center. #1503 2014-present repaint, bare metal chain. 7: Pilot Stripes. Please reference the as delivered paint. The current #1503 museum repaint is a bit off on strip angle and thickness. A similar HO model went too far the other way.   This is the best photo I could find that shows the lettering on the fireman's side. www.wplives.org/gallery/Painting_WP_1503/190923_WP1503_GELEMS_DSC_2790.jpgAll other font/placement looks good. I found 1 photo of #1503 later in her WP service where something is painted in orange on each of the exhaust stacks. Not sure what it says. Probably "Warning" or "Hot" but almost looks like "1503". www.railpictures.net/photo/449826/Tomorrow or later today: SP Roman. |
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Post by Curn on Apr 29, 2021 21:35:04 GMT -5
OK, SP. This one is hard, because there is so much variation in how SP painted these over the years. You really need to match a road number prototype for a few small details. Mostly the shown scheme is very accurate. I found one error. The rest is all era or road number specific. Error: 1: The sides behind the cab should be grey, not red. Only the rear should be red. Maybe 2: The forward "F" seems a little too big.  Era: 1: Handrails going into cab. Looks to be grey on delivery and painted white later. I like them white. 2: Little triangle/diamond icon above cab number. Very unit specific. 3: White safety stripe on steps: Some don’t have it. Some the first step. Some all steps, even the rear of the cab. I think this is era specific. Things to consider: I see that it looks like you included the division/region assignment on the cab. Do we want this? SP moved their units all over the place. I see photos of 2469 with different regions painted on its cab. Here is a photo of #2469 in Santa Rosa, NWP, in 1993 with a beacon. Can those beacons be an add on part for those of us modeling later eras? www.railpictures.net/photo/158702/-Matt |
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Post by markm on Apr 29, 2021 22:08:39 GMT -5
Matt,
From the image you posted looks like the name is red (scarlet) not white. Unit specific or era? Perhaps it more than just adding a beacon?
I’ll look around too. My interest is only the switch training done at Altamont.
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Post by Curn on Apr 29, 2021 22:24:57 GMT -5
Yes, those red letters are a bigger weathering problem. From : espee.railfan.net/58_91.html"Another thing to consider about the 'red letters' we have seen on the SP... It was in fact the primer and not some new style they were trying. Part of the reason the ScotchliteTM 'stickers' wore off so easily was that it was during this time that paints went through a major reworking. Additives such as lead and other substances were recently banned and the chemical mixture of paints changed. It was the lead and other elements that actually made the paint stick. Railroads observed many the same problems we modelers have had to endure with the changes in paint composition. What would happen was the locomotive was primed (usually red) then painted gray then the stickers were applied. The heat mixed with the chemical reactions of the adhesive and the new paint made "peeling" very common. With the added reaction of adhesive, the lettering would seemingly peel off simultaneously and very cleanly." |
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Post by markm on Apr 29, 2021 22:25:48 GMT -5
Matt, From the image you posted looks like the name is red (scarlet) not white. Unit specific or era? Perhaps it more than just adding a beacon? I’ll look around too. My interest is only the switch training done at Altamont. Did a quick search seems like most units with red SP (and sometimes road number) have beacons and most with white don’t. I don’t see any pattern. I |
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Post by Curn on Apr 29, 2021 22:30:08 GMT -5
Hans, You did say pointers are welcome. This is going to be my last one. These are the 3 schemes I care about, and I have found a few things. I wasn't planing on doing the rest. If these are helpful to you, say so, and perhaps other members can cover the ones that are most important to them. My kid really likes CSX, and I see a few small things. 1: Roof should be white. 2: Cab side windows should be clear, not painted over blue. 3: Depending on cab number, the American flag moves around quite a bit. 4: The bump behind the cab, is sometimes blue or yellow. Very unit specific. #1100 should be yellow, not blue. 5: Handrails going to the cab are white, not yellow. 6: There is a little decal on the air tanks that might be missing.   |
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Post by Hans Riddervold (AZL) on Apr 30, 2021 2:56:58 GMT -5
Thanks for all the comments. This is our usual selection criteria:
-Try to present our product close to original version, unless product was changed during the first operating year
-Find at least 3 that are alike. More difficult than it sounds. Stay away from one-offs unless we think subject is viable
-Sometimes best guess when photos or sources are not available through the web, literature or historical societies
-During development, focus on variations used by the majority of operators. Often a railroad had several versions of a locomotive
Specifics
-Will avoid add on parts, but will make airhorns, trucks, bells, beacon lights and some antenna parts available
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Post by markm on Apr 30, 2021 10:32:42 GMT -5
Hans,
All sound decisions. I would however not encourage working off of builders’ photos. I’ve found too many cases just with WP, SP and UP where paint, horns and bells, and lighting were changed before the units were even commissioned.
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Post by Hans Riddervold (AZL) on May 10, 2021 6:25:07 GMT -5
SW1500 WEB.pdf (620.73 KB) We have updated the artwork. Note, artwork is not final, but it is getting there
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Post by Hans Riddervold (AZL) on May 10, 2021 6:30:23 GMT -5
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Post by Hans Riddervold (AZL) on May 10, 2021 6:31:08 GMT -5
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Post by Curn on May 10, 2021 16:06:44 GMT -5
Looking good!
WP:
Like the addition of the firecracker antenna, and the horn. Very nice representation of the units for most of their service life.
SP:
The sides of the battery box behind that cab should be grey, not red/scarlet. (Cotton Belt also)
LOL, I ask to check the size of the “F”, and so you choose a road number that doesn’t have a “F” at all! Well played Hans!
CSX:
Looks good, and now it has AC! I started looking into this one a little more. CSX has a lot of variability in these units. The rear battery box and the front headlights can be blue or yellow. Some CSX Units, on the rear cab, have a tall lower center window and no “CSX” decal on the back. Road numbers that are visually similar to #1110 would be 1101, 1102, 1109, 1117, and 1115 after she was repainted.
BN:
The BN Logo and “BURLINGTON NORTHERN” text on the cab looks like it might be scaled about 220/160 too large.
SP Kodachrome:
For #2575, on the fireman’s side, the “SP” is centered on the hood. On the engineer’s side, the “SP” is closer to the cab.
-Matt
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