AZL P42 Genesis and Superliner Pre-orders

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AZL P42 Genesis and Superliner Pre-orders Nov 4, 2015 8:53:04 GMT -5

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AMERICAN Z LINE
November 2015 – P42 Genesis and Superliner pre-orders

American Z Line dealers are now accepting pre-orders for the upcoming P42 Genesis locomotive and Superliner release. The P42 Genesis locomotives will be available in a number of Amtrak liveries covering three phases. They also will be available in New Haven, VIA, New Jersey Transit and Metro North liveries.

AZL dealers are only accepting pre-orders for the next 30 days. The following items are now available for pre-order:

GE P42 Genesis Locomotives:

63500-1 Amtrak GE P42 Genesis 22 Phase III
63500-2 Amtrak GE P42 Genesis 28 Phase III
63500-3 Amtrak GE P42 Genesis 37 Phase III
63500-4 Amtrak GE P42 Genesis 41 Phase III

63501-1 Amtrak GE P42 Genesis 5 Phase IV
63501-2 Amtrak GE P42 Genesis 23 Phase IV
63501-3 Amtrak GE P42 Genesis 26 Phase IV
63501-4 Amtrak GE P42 Genesis 37 Phase IV
63501-5 Amtrak GE P42 Genesis 104 Phase IV NEC
63501-6 Amtrak GE P42 Genesis 107 Phase IV NEC

63502-1 Amtrak GE P42 Genesis 18 Phase V
63502-2 Amtrak GE P42 Genesis 44 Phase V
63502-3 Amtrak GE P42 Genesis 76 Phase V
63502-4 Amtrak GE P42 Genesis 92 Phase V
63502-5 Amtrak GE P42 Genesis 818 Phase V
63502-6 Amtrak GE P42 Genesis 835 Phase V

63503-1 New Haven GE P42 Genesis 228 New Haven
63503-2 New Haven GE P42 Genesis 229 New Haven

63504-1 VIA GE P42 Genesis 904 Shades of Green
63504-2 VIA GE P42 Genesis 905 Shades of Green
63504-3 VIA GE P42 Genesis 910 Shades of Green

63505-1 NJT GE P42 Genesis 4800 NJT
63505-2 NJT GE P42 Genesis 4801 NJT

63506-1 Metro North GE P42 Genesis 203 Grey
63506-2 Metro North GE P42 Genesis 208 Grey

63507-1 Amtrak GE P42 Genesis 156 Phase I Heritage
63508-1 Amtrak GE P42 Genesis 66 Phase II Heritage
63509-1 Amtrak GE P42 Genesis 145 Phase III Heritage

Superliners:

72001-1 Amtrak Superliner I Coach 34022 Phase III
72001-2 Amtrak Superliner I Coach 34075 Phase III

72002-1 Amtrak Superliner I Sleeper 32058 Phase III
72002-2 Amtrak Superliner I Sleeper 32063 Phase III

72003-1 Amtrak Superliner I Diner 38007 Phase III

72004-1 Amtrak Superliner I Lounge 33014 Phase III

72005-1 Amtrak Superliner I Coach 34084 Phase IV b
72005-2 Amtrak Superliner I Coach 34092 Phase IV b

72005-3 Amtrak Superliner I Coach 34005 Phase IV b

72006-1 Amtrak Superliner I Sleeper 32025 Phase IV b
72006-2 Amtrak Superliner I Sleeper 32006 Phase IV b
72006-3 Amtrak Superliner I Sleeper 32055 Phase IV b

72007-1 Amtrak Superliner I Diner 38021 Phase IV b

72008-1 Amtrak Superliner I Lounge 33019 Phase IV b

72050-1 Amtrak Superliner 4 pack Sleeper 32017, Lounge 33002, Coach 34010, Coach 34034 Phase III

72051-1 Amtrak Superliner 4 pack Sleeper 32069, Diner 33018, Coach 34001, Coach 34086 Phase III

72052-1 Amtrak Superliner 4 pack Sleeper 32050, Lounge 33023, Coach 34056, Coach 34064 Phase IV b

72052-2 Amtrak Superliner 4 pack Sleeper 32067, Lounge 33004, Coach 34014, Coach 34027 Phase IV b

72053-1 Amtrak Superliner 4 pack Sleeper 32038, Diner 38004, Coach 34073, Coach 34099 Phase IV b

72053-2 Amtrak Superliner 4 pack Sleeper 32007, Diner 38016, Coach 34004, Coach 34039 Phase IV b

Contact your authorized AZL dealer to place your order.

Rob

Last Edit: Nov 4, 2015 9:01:25 GMT -5 by ztrack

nscaler711 Fireman Posts: 96	AZL P42 Genesis and Superliner Pre-orders Nov 4, 2015 10:09:47 GMT -5 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by nscaler711 on Nov 4, 2015 10:09:47 GMT -5 Is there a price list anywhere? Also where are places I can pre order? Because I have checked several sites and have found nothing so far. Thanks.

Shamoo Guest	AZL P42 Genesis and Superliner Pre-orders Nov 4, 2015 10:37:29 GMT -5 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by Shamoo on Nov 4, 2015 10:37:29 GMT -5 Z scale hobo has the prices on his website. The superliners are going to be $65 each

christoff Engineer Posts: 100	AZL P42 Genesis and Superliner Pre-orders Nov 4, 2015 12:19:31 GMT -5 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by christoff on Nov 4, 2015 12:19:31 GMT -5 Is there any pictures of the super liners painted or pics of them individually ?

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AZL P42 Genesis and Superliner Pre-orders Nov 4, 2015 14:58:27 GMT -5

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Nov 4, 2015 12:19:31 GMT -5 christoff said:

Is there any pictures of the super liners painted or pics of them individually ?

Not yet. All we have so far are the two shots from the AZL forum.

You will notice that all my images are the same one. That's all we have so far.

zscalehobo.com/azl/azl_index.html#p42_surf

Frank Daniels
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patrice New Member Posts: 39	AZL P42 Genesis and Superliner Pre-orders Nov 4, 2015 20:18:12 GMT -5 QcKraag likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by patrice on Nov 4, 2015 20:18:12 GMT -5 Will there be cars for Via Rail ?

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AZL P42 Genesis and Superliner Pre-orders Nov 4, 2015 22:52:15 GMT -5

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Post by BAZman on Nov 4, 2015 22:52:15 GMT -5

I'd like to know what the differences are with the various phases of the P42's and the Superliners. Could make up some longer coaches, second sleeper or lounge if enough visible differences.

With some of the other recent diesels, I sense a set of high popularity cars, like a 10 car train.

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AZL P42 Genesis and Superliner Pre-orders Nov 4, 2015 23:36:55 GMT -5

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Nov 4, 2015 22:52:15 GMT -5 BAZman said:

I'd like to know what the differences are with the various phases of the P42's and the Superliners. Could make up some longer coaches, second sleeper or lounge if enough visible differences.

With some of the other recent diesels, I sense a set of high popularity cars, like a 10 car train.

A little trip into Google ... the phase relates to the paint schemes; see Wikipedia:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak_paint_schemes#Phase_III

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nscaler711
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AZL P42 Genesis and Superliner Pre-orders Nov 5, 2015 3:57:48 GMT -5 zscalehobo and smr like this

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I did notice that Amtrak #184 is missing, it is another 40th Anniversary unit but in Ph. IV colors, same goes for 822 which is a P40 in ph. III.
Also units that are 800 series are P40s, some have been upgraded to P42 standards (mainly 4200hp instead of 4000hp)
Also which version of Phase V is being produced? Ph. V or Vb? Ph. V was short lived, the paint scheme you see today is Vb.
www.katousa.com/N/P42/pics/P42pics3b.jpg

Also depending on the road number in Ph. Vb the nose may be the bolt on style with curved headlight housing. But your models represent the earlier unmodified noses.
farm9.staticflickr.com/8313/8047838211_9d1d41b7ed_z.jpg
So some maybe incorrect like N scale Katos, like their Anniversary units for example, all are painted on the earlier unmodified P42 shells.

Also don't do the faded stripe on the Ph. III P42s, that scheme was exclusive to the P40s and P32DCMs (800 and 700 series) it was basically a trial paint scheme as the P40s and P32s were early production units, they were produced in 1993 while the P42s were introduced in 1996.

I am not trying to be picky, I am just trying to throw my "vast" knowledge on Amtrak's P40/P42 locomotives..

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AZL P42 Genesis and Superliner Pre-orders Nov 5, 2015 13:02:54 GMT -5 QcKraag likes this

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Post by davestubbs on Nov 5, 2015 13:02:54 GMT -5

HI Rob,
just a couple of questions before I preorder. I'm looking to create a 10 car set, does the engine come with traction tire or will 2 locos be needed? Also wondering if the drop in decoder from TCS (AZL4 I think)will fit in this loco? And lastly, I second the question will VIA and New Haven get there own Superliner set.

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AZL P42 Genesis and Superliner Pre-orders Nov 5, 2015 14:23:42 GMT -5 zscalehobo likes this

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Dave yes on the traction tire. We have not tested these to know the pulling power. They are very heavy locomotives and should pull quite a few cars with little effort. But until we have production units to test, we won't know for sure. Yes, the loco does use the standard AZL PCB so the Digitrax and TCS decoders should be fine (again should since we will know for sure once we have production units).

At this time, the list provided is what is being offered. But I don't believe either Via or New Haven use Superliner cars. I believe these are Amtrak only,

Rob

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AZL P42 Genesis and Superliner Pre-orders Nov 5, 2015 15:16:44 GMT -5

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Traction tire? Can you supply axles without? I don't think a P42 needs a traction tire, especially when it will be pulling coaches that have traditional style trucks (or needle point for models) and since it is a carbody style locomotive you should be fine in the weight department to haul a consist up to 10 coaches long, if not longer.

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AZL P42 Genesis and Superliner Pre-orders Nov 5, 2015 15:37:11 GMT -5

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Post by davestubbs on Nov 5, 2015 15:37:11 GMT -5

Thanks Rob, Order Placed. nscaler already asked my next question. if it is heavy might not need traction tire. with only 4 axels and me wanting DCC, power pick up might out weigh traction. one way to find out, we'll see when they arrive. it would be nice to be able to buy an axel or even a full replacement truck.

christoff Engineer Posts: 100	AZL P42 Genesis and Superliner Pre-orders Nov 5, 2015 22:38:42 GMT -5 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by christoff on Nov 5, 2015 22:38:42 GMT -5 Cp rail had some superliners.... Would love a few hint hint lol

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AZL P42 Genesis and Superliner Pre-orders Nov 6, 2015 9:02:11 GMT -5

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Nov 5, 2015 15:16:44 GMT -5 nscaler711 said:

Traction tire? Can you supply axles without? I don't think a P42 needs a traction tire, especially when it will be pulling coaches that have traditional style trucks (or needle point for models) and since it is a carbody style locomotive you should be fine in the weight department to haul a consist up to 10 coaches long, if not longer.

Nov 5, 2015 15:37:11 GMT -5 davestubbs said:

Thanks Rob, Order Placed. nscaler already asked my next question. if it is heavy might not need traction tire. with only 4 axels and me wanting DCC, power pick up might out weigh traction. one way to find out, we'll see when they arrive. it would be nice to be able to buy an axel or even a full replacement truck.

Hi Guys,

We did extensive real world testing and found that adding one traction tire per truck dramatically improved all aspects of the locomotive operations while it had zero negative impact on electrical pick up and DCC operations. Because of that, all of the locomotives are traction tire equipped.

As a part of our program to provide superior customer support, we will offer the trucks as a spare part. These will be available for a reasonable fee (pretty much our cost) from the AZLDirect.com web site as well as our dealers. Each truck will contain one axel without traction tires, and one axel with one traction tire. To re-equip your locomotive you will need two trucks. We do NOT recommend going to a single traction tire on one end of the locomotive as that does increase derailments. Both ends need to have balanced traction.

Best,
-Rob(A)

AZL P42 Genesis and Superliner Pre-orders

Post by ztrack on Nov 4, 2015 8:53:04 GMT -5

Post by nscaler711 on Nov 4, 2015 10:09:47 GMT -5

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