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Post by tikigrotto on Jul 21, 2024 20:02:20 GMT -5
I often see complaints about difficulties with micro trains track, specifically the turnouts. I have 2 layouts, one with s curves and lots of tight corners. I’ve run everything from AZL steam, modern diesels and small switchers to Rokuhan and Marklin locomotives. It has always been set-and-forget. I hardly ever have derailments, and my trains will run all day long which they do often. I always recommend Micro Trains track, as it’s easy and simple, and in my opinion much better looking than the obnoxious scaling of Rokuhan track. Can anyone enlighten me as to the negativity regarding the Micro Trains track? I’m purging all my rolling stock from them. It’s always failing apart- and that I get.
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Post by barnegat on Jul 22, 2024 2:03:44 GMT -5
I think Micro Trains track with roadbed looks spectacular and works fine. Their system always ensures a secure connection. The main problem with it is that, just like land, they're not making any more of it...,
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Post by tikigrotto on Jul 22, 2024 2:34:08 GMT -5
I think Micro Trains track with roadbed looks spectacular and works fine. Their system always ensures a secure connection. The main problem with it is that, just like land, they're not making any more of it..., I particularly like the snap track they make!
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Post by deon4141 on Jul 23, 2024 10:36:50 GMT -5
I spoke to Anthony last week and indeed seems they are out of the track business, its a pity. I had to fiddle with the turnouts straight from the package but then no issues again. Dis burn out a couple of coils, but that was during commissioning Digikeijs turnout decoders where the pulse were set to long. By the way also an excellent product and they too went under
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Post by domi on Aug 1, 2024 11:37:08 GMT -5
I often see complaints about difficulties with micro trains track, specifically the turnouts. I have 2 layouts, one with s curves and lots of tight corners. I’ve run everything from AZL steam, modern diesels and small switchers to Rokuhan and Marklin locomotives. It has always been set-and-forget. I hardly ever have derailments, and my trains will run all day long which they do often. I always recommend Micro Trains track, as it’s easy and simple, and in my opinion much better looking than the obnoxious scaling of Rokuhan track. Can anyone enlighten me as to the negativity regarding the Micro Trains track? I’m purging all my rolling stock from them. It’s always failing apart- and that I get. What's the minimum scale speed you're able to run your locos on MTL turnouts ? On some of mine that would be around 10 scale MPH. For me it's unacceptable. On my layout which is Wright turnout equipped (ie true power routing turnouts, same technology as Fast Tracks), my locos are able to run at 1 or 2 scale mph without stalling, which allow me to perform switching operations looking like the prototype.. Dom
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Post by Curn on Aug 1, 2024 15:48:47 GMT -5
Micro Track was really neat when it first came out and really helped expand Z scale in the 2000s. It worked well and had North American tie spacing. The only competition at the time was Marklin track, and a few people selling custom made turnouts, either ebay builders or the Peter Wright turnouts. The MTL turnouts worked well for me, but a good percentage of them needed tweaking. Usually there was a little casting flash on the bottom of the frog that needed to be filed away for it to sit flush with the rails, and that is what was causing most of my problems with their turnouts. There was a great deal of factory issues 2008-2010 (See Kader / Sanda Kan Merger) that impacted a alot of model train manufacturing in China, and MTLs Z scale track and diesels were impacted by this. For a while there were significant delays in getting MTL track. They eventually got their track back in production, but quite honestly their Z scale diesel never really recovered from that Kader / Sanda Kan shutdown. They focused on the MTL F7s which were completely made in the USA. MTL stated they wanted to expand their track line, they were just never able to make that investment.
When Rokuhan track arrived, they had just a vastly wider range of available track pieces. So alot of people started using that, willing to trade variety for the none North American tie spacing. Then add Atlas to the mix. Before Atlas, MTL was the flex track everyone used, but it came in 24" lengths. Along came Atlas with non roadbed turnouts, and matching flex track in 36 inch lengths (Before this everyone was using mis-matched turnouts with either MTL or Peco flex). Between Rokuhan and Atlas, with better selection and products, few people were building new layouts with MTL track.
MTL is kind of a sad story because they went from being the largest player in the Z market, and now their track system is basically discontinued. They had invested a bit of money in Z and that factory issue really took the wind out of their sails. Quite honestly, if they had expanded their track line adding more variety of roadbed track, and making a non-roadbed turnout for their flex track, I would probably still be using their track. It was a good product.
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Post by tikigrotto on Aug 1, 2024 17:48:42 GMT -5
Micro Track was really neat when it first came out and really helped expand Z scale in the 2000s. It worked well and had North American tie spacing. The only competition at the time was Marklin track, and a few people selling custom made turnouts, either ebay builders or the Peter Wright turnouts. The MTL turnouts worked well for me, but a good percentage of them needed tweaking. Usually there was a little casting flash on the bottom of the frog that needed to be filed away for it to sit flush with the rails, and that is what was causing most of my problems with their turnouts. There was a great deal of factory issues 2008-2010 (See Kader / Sanda Kan Merger) that impacted a alot of model train manufacturing in China, and MTLs Z scale track and diesels were impacted by this. For a while there were significant delays in getting MTL track. They eventually got their track back in production, but quite honestly their Z scale diesel never really recovered from that Kader / Sanda Kan shutdown. They focused on the MTL F7s which were completely made in the USA. MTL stated they wanted to expand their track line, they were just never able to make that investment. When Rokuhan track arrived, they had just a vastly wider range of available track pieces. So alot of people started using that, willing to trade variety for the none North American tie spacing. Then add Atlas to the mix. Before Atlas, MTL was the flex track everyone used, but it came in 24" lengths. Along came Atlas with non roadbed turnouts, and matching flex track in 36 inch lengths (Before this everyone was using mis-matched turnouts with either MTL or Peco flex). Between Rokuhan and Atlas, with better selection and products, few people were building new layouts with MTL track. MTL is kind of a sad story because they went from being the largest player in the Z market, and now their track system is basically discontinued. They had invested a bit of money in Z and that factory issue really took the wind out of their sails. Quite honestly, if they had expanded their track line adding more variety of roadbed track, and making a non-roadbed turnout for their flex track, I would probably still be using their track. It was a good product. Wow, thank you for the write up. An interesting bit of history and a nice read.
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Post by mrbarlow on Aug 1, 2024 19:09:58 GMT -5
Micro Track was really neat when it first came out and really helped expand Z scale in the 2000s. It worked well and had North American tie spacing. The only competition at the time was Marklin track, and a few people selling custom made turnouts, either ebay builders or the Peter Wright turnouts. The MTL turnouts worked well for me, but a good percentage of them needed tweaking. Usually there was a little casting flash on the bottom of the frog that needed to be filed away for it to sit flush with the rails, and that is what was causing most of my problems with their turnouts. There was a great deal of factory issues 2008-2010 (See Kader / Sanda Kan Merger) that impacted a alot of model train manufacturing in China, and MTLs Z scale track and diesels were impacted by this. For a while there were significant delays in getting MTL track. They eventually got their track back in production, but quite honestly their Z scale diesel never really recovered from that Kader / Sanda Kan shutdown. They focused on the MTL F7s which were completely made in the USA. MTL stated they wanted to expand their track line, they were just never able to make that investment. When Rokuhan track arrived, they had just a vastly wider range of available track pieces. So alot of people started using that, willing to trade variety for the none North American tie spacing. Then add Atlas to the mix. Before Atlas, MTL was the flex track everyone used, but it came in 24" lengths. Along came Atlas with non roadbed turnouts, and matching flex track in 36 inch lengths (Before this everyone was using mis-matched turnouts with either MTL or Peco flex). Between Rokuhan and Atlas, with better selection and products, few people were building new layouts with MTL track. MTL is kind of a sad story because they went from being the largest player in the Z market, and now their track system is basically discontinued. They had invested a bit of money in Z and that factory issue really took the wind out of their sails. Quite honestly, if they had expanded their track line adding more variety of roadbed track, and making a non-roadbed turnout for their flex track, I would probably still be using their track. It was a good product. This begs the question, will MTL ever rebound or are they out of the Z track business for good? Rokuhan is the KATO track of Z scale, as their offerings just about mirror each other sans the tie spacing issue. Is there space for a NEW player in Z to market North American prototype sectional track with roadbed?
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Post by tikigrotto on Aug 1, 2024 19:11:11 GMT -5
I often see complaints about difficulties with micro trains track, specifically the turnouts. I have 2 layouts, one with s curves and lots of tight corners. I’ve run everything from AZL steam, modern diesels and small switchers to Rokuhan and Marklin locomotives. It has always been set-and-forget. I hardly ever have derailments, and my trains will run all day long which they do often. I always recommend Micro Trains track, as it’s easy and simple, and in my opinion much better looking than the obnoxious scaling of Rokuhan track. Can anyone enlighten me as to the negativity regarding the Micro Trains track? I’m purging all my rolling stock from them. It’s always failing apart- and that I get. What's the minimum scale speed you're able to run your locos on MTL turnouts ? On some of mine that would be around 10 scale MPH. For me it's unacceptable. On my layout which is Wright turnout equipped (ie true power routing turnouts, same technology as Fast Tracks), my locos are able to run at 1 or 2 scale mph without stalling, which allow me to perform switching operations looking like the prototype.. Dom Let me test this and I’ll get back to you
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Post by dazed on Aug 1, 2024 19:17:15 GMT -5
Before Atlas, MTL was the flex track everyone used, but it came in 24" lengths. Along came Atlas with non roadbed turnouts, and matching flex track in 36 inch lengths To clarify... MTL flex is 12-1/2" long, and Atlas is 24" long. I wish Atlas was 36", it would really have been nice. (and Code 40, too. But I digress....)
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Post by Curn on Aug 1, 2024 21:06:38 GMT -5
Oops, it has been too long since I have ordered any flex track.
Who knows what would have happened in an alternative reality where MLT was able to expand their track line. Rokuhan is ultimately a Japanese Train manufacturer. They would have still showed up on the market. A good non-roadbed turnout was always a large void in the Z market which was the perfect opportunity for Atlas to get into Z. Before that I remember one of the Robs was talking with Peco with hopes that they might make a Z turnout. If MTL or Peco had managed to bring that product to market, they might have kept Atlas out of Z. But that’s not how things went.
I don’t think MTL is out of Z. I think they just are very against investing in other factories outside of their own. They will keep on making couplers, trucks, and rolling stock. I would love to see MTL be a little innovative and bring back their locomotives but fully made in their US factory. They can make frames, gears, bodies, pant, etc. All they need is a reliable source of good affordable motors, and circuit boards. The difference between a wide MTL GP35 diesel, a scale AZL diesel is an 8mm, vs 7.5 mm 12 volt motor. So if they had that, they could be competitive. Someone’s going to make a GP40 one of these days. Someone is going to make a SD7/9. Someone’s going to make U-Boats. There is opportunity there.
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Post by BAZman on Aug 2, 2024 13:46:44 GMT -5
For the MTL diesels, F or GP/SD, the trucks are still oversized (wide) but they track well and pick-ups are reliable (if you keep the dust bunnies out).
Which ever they would possibly reproduce would be welcome. People criticize not doing this, not doing that and the differences as it we have, but it happens in every scale. At least it would be potential economic value for buyers and a welcome to their existing models from each companies.
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Post by hideaki on Aug 6, 2024 5:21:13 GMT -5
The important thing is we, the customers understand the characteristics of each company and love their product with patience. Z-scale model rail is a small market, and we should treat its smallness carefully. DIY will catch up on minor mistakes.
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Post by Smolderz on Aug 6, 2024 15:26:36 GMT -5
The important thing is we, the customers understand the characteristics of each company and love their product with patience. Z-scale model rail is a small market, and we should treat its smallness carefully. DIY will catch up on minor mistakes. Nice words! I would like to add that our share might be small, but our community is quite a bit more die-hard and enthusiastic! Hehe
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