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Post by Tiest van Gool on May 12, 2024 12:29:43 GMT -5
Hi there fellow AZL fans, I am a very proud owner of AZL’s SP Daylight 12 Passenger Car set (AZL-2603). In my opinion the most beautiful passenger cars I have come across. I also have the SP Daylight 7 Passenger Car Set (AZL-70047). When comparing the two sets, the brass truly stands out as its colors are more vibrant, the weight, the windows and the overall quality is unmatched. Understanding this comes at a price but, as mini SP railroad baron, beauty and quality matters for my fictional passenger as well! While contemplating my rail road empire, I inevitably want to expand and add the SP’s Lark passenger train consist to my rail road schedule. Looking at the incredible AZL SP Lark Passenger sets (AZL-73X46 A & B) I cant help myself wondering what if… What if these sets were available in brass, how awesome would that be? AZL’s business focus on injection-molded plastic makes complete sense and is a solid strategy to corner the z-scale market by offering high quality at a reasonable price point! Me personally would love to be able to add a brass set(s) of the SP Lark to my collection but how to convince Hans and Rob? First thing, we need demand, without the sufficient demand this wish is ‘mission impossible’. Note: I don’t believe in impossible missions, where there is a will, there is a way! So I ask you, would you mind responding to this poll to determine if jointly can generate sufficient demand? Thanks! -Tiest
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Post by tjdreams on May 12, 2024 14:04:37 GMT -5
While I do think the SP daylight paint scheme is one of the best looking paint schemes out there, I an going to have to say No I'm not interested in another SP set of Brass cars. It's been done before. If they are going to do brass cars again i would like to see some New Road Names preferably A Eastern road. Like B&O's Royal Blue, C&O, N&W, or maybe even a short line like the MA.&PA. R.R.
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Post by Tiest van Gool on May 12, 2024 14:15:27 GMT -5
David - That is fair. -Tiest
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Post by sz on May 13, 2024 1:32:37 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, there was the discussion about brass already in another thread. AZL was planning N&W J-Class and Swiss Ae8/14 but they had to be cancelled after the end of Ajin. I remember that nowadays there's also the problem with environmental regulations in some areas of china that for example don't allow to produce lost wax casts, which makes it harder to find a sutiable factory. But actally I'm very happy that AZL today is producing those name trains in Pastic which makes it possible to have several of them in my vitrine at a good quality at a price that is affordable for a broader range of customers. In fact thats one of the main reasons for me to be active in Z: I can have a vitrine with several full consists of name trains in my living room. In HO I could only get the locos and a few cars on the same spot at the same cost. But from the bottom of my heart I agree with you: I do have a few brass and their beauty is beyond compare.
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Post by Scott on May 13, 2024 7:00:37 GMT -5
Various articulated cars (Articulated kitchen-in-the-middle car is a favorite.), mid-car bar bar car, a rotating chair car, observation, coaches, and a combine, with a distinctive warm color paint scheme make for a design that is unique. (It’ll be lottsa fun to see AZL’s design choices for the Daylight. The cut [decisions] for both the COLA and Super Chief was nothing short of brilliant.) “Daylight has beautiful passenger cars.” On that I am in agreement with Tiest.
On the other hand, and not necessarily in brass, the scale needs to tip (double entendre) to Eastern roads. In this respect I am in agreement with Tjdreams. “B&O’s Royal Blue.” What an unbelievably good call! It’s plated steam locomotive design seems to complement what seems to be its west coast counterpart: The Daylight. Sure, both are a good candidate for brass (Rerun of a brass Daylight—Who knows?). Here, however, I am super-biased. I would gawk and gobble an AZL B&O Royal Blue.
Heavyweight baggage-dormitory-lounge head end cars of the B&O were visually appealing. On them was the grey window band which terminated with a rounded end. That was exciting for me ’cause it meant the rest of the train is coming. The Royal Blue, The National Limited, and The Columbian each had such a head end car with that round-ended window band. You sometimes see them in pictures of the tracks outside Grand Central Station in old Chicago.
“Short line” candidates is something, too, raised by Tjdreams. I am in favor of new special tooling for lesser known streamliners such as The Laurentian or The Crusader.
Speaking of special tooling, AZL could launch a new pool of lightweight passenger cars. Of particular interest is the Pullman-Standard 56-seat coach which was one used by many. More than one AZLer has mentioned the 56-seat model and other widely-used types, Pullman-Standard, or otherwise, elsewhere on the forum.
Forgive the digression, but I hope to see a permanent pool of AZL F7s with matching caboose. This is something brought to light with the discussion on the recent thread “Any Upcoming Alaska Railroad?” posted by Tmoneyduffak.
Not to loose sight of the argument presented by Tiest, I do not know how AZL assesses interest or demand. Also, in keeping with Tiest’s line of thought, some type of poll is in order. Moreover, I am for polls plural. An AZL customer base demographic poll was mentioned on the forum. To that we may wish to include, what would you like to see in brass?
Scott
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Post by mitch on May 13, 2024 9:31:43 GMT -5
As a six-year old first grader growing up in suburban New Jersey (the year would have been 1954), I was priveleged to go on a field trip which began with a ride from Montclair to Hoboken on the electrified Hoboken branch. We arrived in Hoboken and got a tour of the Lackawanna Phoebe Snow. Thus began a 70-year love affair with railroading which still continues. The E8s which led the consist and the gorgeous streamlined maroon and grey coaches were a thing of beauty. AZL has done a wonderful job with E-L PAs and F7s. I would love to see an early consist of F3s (DL&W) or a later one with E8s (DL&W or E-L). I can still dream, can't I.
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Post by cthsery on May 13, 2024 10:33:18 GMT -5
Different liveries on existing tooling should not be TOO much a problem. For me that would be Monon F-3's. Pleasent dreams, mitch!
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Post by Scott on May 13, 2024 11:59:03 GMT -5
I luv Lackawanna train station in Hoboken. Hoboken is a great place for a getaway. Gazing into the step-down platform train shed one can feel the spirit of the trains from yesteryear. It can be Erie (Get it?).
AZL should tool a Phoebe Snow name train, the classic streamliner from Hoboken to Buffalo via Scranton and Binghamton. Along the way were interchanges with the Delaware and Hudson (Scranton), Lehigh Valley (Sayre), pre-merger Erie (Binghamton), and the New York Central (Buffalo).
(Delaware and Hudson interchanged with Lehigh Valley at Wilkes-Barre. Delaware and Hudson and the New York Central crossed paths at Albany. Erie’s Chicago Lake Cities rolled up alongside the Super Chief in Chicago. Erie’s Buffalo Lake Cites rolled up alongside the Phoebe Snow in Buffalo.)
AZL got Alcos for all the aforementioned.
(AZL Phoebe Snow would give meaning to Lackawanna modified AARs that bare the slogan “The Route of Phoebe Snow.” … Is AZL doing that road for the modified?)
Phoebe Snow—Thumbs up for an east coast name train.
I echo Mitch: I can still dream, can’t I?
Scott
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Post by Tiest van Gool on May 13, 2024 13:15:31 GMT -5
Ok. I will issue another poll later in the week to see what passenger car consist would be most appropriated by the forum members. Given we already have such a fantastic consist for the SP, another one was a bit selfish on my part... Keep the suggestions coming in this thread so I combine this all together.
Happy Monday all! -Tiest
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Post by smr on May 14, 2024 0:45:45 GMT -5
Well, Tiest, to have AZL to invest into brass again is mainly a business decision. And a difficult one I predict. If you look into the history of brass sales, then you notice that there was mainly a demand for high priced West Coast items, number one the Daylight steam engine! Then followed by UP steam engines. The East coast train sets, although serving popular railroads like PRR and NYC, were hard to sell and went over the counter only with significant discounts. Thus, in conclusion, if high priced brass, then either steam engines and/or West Coast Trains. However, most of the popular West Coast trains are or will become available as injection molded (plastic) cars, namely Cascade, Lark, Overland, COSF, COLA etc. The articulated cars are perfect for rail road model layouts, wasn't there the announcement by Hans for a "plastic" version of this? A Shasta Daylight from the Mid 50ties as well as the Coast Daylight (Morning and Midday?). What is left then, what is sexy enough to pay $2000 - $3000 for it? The complete Diesel pulling power is already available today, only Espee steam is missing....... May be the DRGW Ski train with the right locos? The heritage engine is already available! My Best, Sven
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Post by marmot on May 14, 2024 1:46:44 GMT -5
May be the DRGW Ski train with the right locos? The heritage engine is already available! My Best, Sven Here I'll help you by posting a picture of what you're describing. No need for brass, by the way. Just need F40PH's. The Denver to Winter Park Ski Train actually used heavyweights for lots of years before changing to the newer, pretty unusual cars made by Hawker Siddeley. Picture linked from this page about it: railfan.com/remembering-the-rio-grande-ski-train/
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Post by smr on May 14, 2024 11:04:03 GMT -5
I think we should indeed convince AZL for the production of FP40`s. Here an example using Harald Freudenreichs shells. They wear the simplified version, meaning only one black stripe. Would be good to have the matching train this way as well. My best, Sven
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Post by oldgrog on May 15, 2024 6:49:47 GMT -5
May be the DRGW Ski train with the right locos? The heritage engine is already available! My Best, Sven Here I'll help you by posting a picture of what you're describing. No need for brass, by the way. Just need F40PH's. The Denver to Winter Park Ski Train actually used heavyweights for lots of years before changing to the newer, pretty unusual cars made by Hawker Siddeley. Picture linked from this page about it: railfan.com/remembering-the-rio-grande-ski-train/Thank you for providing the link to this article. I found it very interesting, it has now filled a gap in my knowledge about a subject that has intrigued me for some time, but about which I knew next to nothing.
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Post by Tiest van Gool on May 15, 2024 8:52:11 GMT -5
That is a cool looking consist indeed! -Tiest
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