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Post by ednadolski on Mar 7, 2024 1:37:02 GMT -5
I'd like to ask if anyone has had any experience/advice for re-painting an AZL loco like say an SD70Ace, ES44, and/or an SD40-2? I'm presuming they should be similar to the HO and N-scale locos that I've done (Kato, IM, etc.), so I'd guess that the factory paint could probably be removed with IPA, but I've never tried it myself -- yet I'm also thinking perhaps TCP paint and a Tamia primer should work OK with the plastics/shell. Likely a YMMV, as with most things anyways.
TIA for any/all advice, recommendations, tips, cautions, etc.
Ed
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Post by rgs455 on Mar 7, 2024 1:53:53 GMT -5
I'd like to ask if anyone has had any experience/advice for re-painting an AZL loco like say an SD70Ace, ES44, and/or an SD40-2? I'm presuming they should be similar to the HO and N-scale locos that I've done (Kato, IM, etc.), so I'd guess that the factory paint could probably be removed with IPA, but I've never tried it myself -- yet I'm also thinking perhaps TCP paint and a Tamia primer should work OK with the plastics/shell. Likely a YMMV, as with most things anyways.
TIA for any/all advice, recommendations, tips, cautions, etc.
Ed
I just primed and painted my CP Geeps with Tamiya Spraycans without removing the factory paint. Worked well for me. BR Boris
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Post by shamoo737 on Mar 7, 2024 9:32:09 GMT -5
I would suggest stripping it 90% alcohol. I don’t like painting over the current scheme, because you have to paint it thick enough to cover the railroad scheme. That’s the easy part. The hard part is getting decals.
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Post by rgs455 on Mar 7, 2024 12:59:14 GMT -5
I would suggest stripping it 90% alcohol. I don’t like painting over the current scheme, because you have to paint it thick enough to cover the railroad scheme. That’s the easy part. The hard part is getting decals. Yes Z scale Decals are hard to get by... BR Boris
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Post by shamoo737 on Mar 7, 2024 15:46:32 GMT -5
Lucky guy. They actually made decals for the CP geeps.
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Post by davejones on Mar 7, 2024 17:51:04 GMT -5
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Post by shamoo737 on Mar 12, 2024 16:42:53 GMT -5
I would suggest stripping it 90% alcohol. I don’t like painting over the current scheme, because you have to paint it thick enough to cover the railroad scheme. That’s the easy part. The hard part is getting decals. Yes Z scale Decals are hard to get by... BR Boris
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Post by stevew on Mar 12, 2024 17:36:05 GMT -5
I've custom painted a few AZL locos. They strip easily with 91 percent alcohol. I then add whatever details I desire (I hoarded a lot of the Micron Art detail kits), then prime and paint. I do have the good fortune of having done artwork in Illustrator for a long time for 2 different model railroad companies, which allows me to create Z decals easily enough. I love to help the Z community, so if anyone wants specific decals let me know. I do an 8.5x11 sheet at a time, which fits a lot of Z decals! Steve W Attachments:
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Post by marmot on Mar 13, 2024 1:46:23 GMT -5
I do have the good fortune of having done artwork in Illustrator for a long time for 2 different model railroad companies, which allows me to create Z decals easily enough. I love to help the Z community, so if anyone wants specific decals let me know. I do an 8.5x11 sheet at a time, which fits a lot of Z decals! Steve W HEY - Steve, you caught my attention because it looks like you can deal with white ink on decals. White ink is the topic that has me stumped about how to proceed with a few decals, such as really old D&RGW where it just says "Rio Grande" white letters on black for a steam loco tender. I also need to do some work on my end to prep for some weird ones including KiwiRail and their white fern logo on many of their diesel locos. Z scale finally has SD40-2's (and soon SD50/SD60) so now I can 3D print new shells for KiwiRail locos (as Nn3.5 narrow gauge on Z). I'm part-way through the 3D design process for those.
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Post by Scott on Mar 13, 2024 5:16:32 GMT -5
I do have the good fortune of having done artwork in Illustrator for a long time for 2 different model railroad companies, which allows me to create Z decals easily enough. I love to help the Z community, so if anyone wants specific decals let me know. I do an 8.5x11 sheet at a time, which fits a lot of Z decals! Steve W Obtain specimens in another scale. Scan them. Resize to Z scale either at the scanning stage or in a program. Rearrange as desired or as necessary. Print to decal paper. This your modus operandi? Scott
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Post by stevew on Mar 13, 2024 9:22:20 GMT -5
I do have the good fortune of having done artwork in Illustrator for a long time for 2 different model railroad companies, which allows me to create Z decals easily enough. I love to help the Z community, so if anyone wants specific decals let me know. I do an 8.5x11 sheet at a time, which fits a lot of Z decals! Steve W HEY - Steve, you caught my attention because it looks like you can deal with white ink on decals. White ink is the topic that has me stumped about how to proceed with a few decals, such as really old D&RGW where it just says "Rio Grande" white letters on black for a steam loco tender. I also need to do some work on my end to prep for some weird ones including KiwiRail and their white fern logo on many of their diesel locos. Z scale finally has SD40-2's (and soon SD50/SD60) so now I can 3D print new shells for KiwiRail locos (as Nn3.5 narrow gauge on Z). I'm part-way through the 3D design process for those. I used to use an Alps printer but those days are over. I actually send my files to Circus City Decals for printing. They charge $40 for an 8.5" x 11" sheet, which isn't too bad considering how many Z decals can fit on one page. Circus City does a nice job on small print, so I've been sticking with them. If you don't have the ability to create art in vector format send me photos and I'll see what I can do. Steve W
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Post by stevew on Mar 13, 2024 9:26:07 GMT -5
I do have the good fortune of having done artwork in Illustrator for a long time for 2 different model railroad companies, which allows me to create Z decals easily enough. I love to help the Z community, so if anyone wants specific decals let me know. I do an 8.5x11 sheet at a time, which fits a lot of Z decals! Steve W Obtain specimens in another scale. Scan them. Resize to Z scale either at the scanning stage or in a program. Rearrange as desired or as necessary. Print to decal paper. This your modus operandi? Scott Hey Scott, What I typically do is create the art either based on photos and/or the library of art that I have available to me, which is quite extensive. So far no need to aquire items in another scale. At my day job it is routine for me to create art files, so it's second nature to me. Steve W
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Post by Scott on Mar 13, 2024 15:01:46 GMT -5
Steve,
Thank you.
Your generosity is appreciated.
My interest would be in taking two- or more northeast-style Z scale MTL cabooses, airbrushing them a caboose red, and applying decals. This way, freights on a layout would look complete. Indeed, a caboose completes a layout, and, as we all know, everybody loves a caboose.
Scale model making—I’ve seen some incredible work with decals. There’s things like decal softener and a type of varnish that vanishes not only the edge of the decal but whatever is suspending the decal. ’Course none of it was for Z scale.
The paint schemes of 1950s northeast cabooses seem to have a common theme: White type on red body. The road name is spelled out; there’s a drum, herald, or circular logo; and then a road number. I’m referencing color and black-and-white period photos for Baltimore and Ohio and Western Maryland.
Myself: Have an Adobe background, both pixel-based and vector-based. Re-creates in Illustrator is very time-consuming. Doesn't matter how powerful the system one has or how artistically talented one is—It’s time consuming.
As for myself, I would avoid drawing from scratch. Rather, I’d look for the possibility of sourcing quality vector art in digital form and proceed from there.
Farming out work for final print production seems very wise.
Your sharing your notes is appreciated greatly.
Scott
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