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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 2:01:19 GMT -5
Hello ... Again a question concerning my "beloved" NH railroad. There is the "McGinnis" scheme (black-white-orange, the best known) used in the 60's. But I saw another combination on the recent PA1 ; when was this one used ? I wanna avoid anachronisms. Thanks for any answer ...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 7:46:13 GMT -5
The McGinnis logo first appeared in 1954 or so when Patrick McGinnis took control of the New Haven. The new AZL PA 1s would represent the logo prior to 1954. You can find lots of images on the web, some with both schemes in a lashup. Also with older equipment, and newer stainless passenger equipment. My guess is you could run both and be in tune with the real railroad, I would.
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Post by oldgrog on Feb 22, 2023 8:55:04 GMT -5
You aren’t finished yet ! There is a third livery yet to come. See the thread on the Alco PA, with colour illustrations. On page 3 of the product announcements, then see page 7 of the PA thread.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 9:08:07 GMT -5
I am afraid that the "older" coulours before 54 did no more survive in 1965.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 11:51:48 GMT -5
Yes there is the Orange scheme as well.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 11:59:08 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 12:13:39 GMT -5
I looked on rrpicturearchives.net for PA1 : only pictures taken before 1960, the only from 1964 has the McGinnis colours. And there is one with the "newest" AZL colours ... from 1955 ! " When in doubt, leave it out' "
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 16:07:27 GMT -5
And I saw pictures of the (prototypical) PA1 in orange-black ... and don't know to which era it belongs !
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Post by Hans Riddervold (AZL) on Feb 23, 2023 14:29:57 GMT -5
In our research, books are essential. They offer photos that you do not find on the internet, often of better quality. As suggested, historical societies are well worth the membership. NH is truly a challenge, but what a spectre of paint schemes. Even the McGinnis scheme came in at least two versions. Have fun, Hans
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2023 1:11:16 GMT -5
But since You have already studied these sources (including for the "orange" PA1-NH-version to come) to design the locos, why don't You specify the corresponding era ? Märklin often does this ("Epoche" 1 to 5).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2023 9:05:30 GMT -5
Errare Humanum Est (but not only ... ). Finally I decided to ask the "new super-Google", chat.openai.com, about this topic ; the answer was correct concerning the old green but it said that the name McGinnis was in fact the name of ... the designer !
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Post by dazed on Feb 24, 2023 14:33:45 GMT -5
I think the reason a manufacturer doesn't advertise the era is this: Most people don't really care too much about such accuracy. Some more than others, and some will make some effort to keep things within a certain time frame but don't mind some bit of variation from that. If you present it to them on a silver platter (ie this model is from years 19xx to 19xx) then you make it easier for them to shy away from the purchase. Typically, your true model railroading fanatics look for reasons to buy items, not the other way around.
I would argue that if it's this difficult for you to find the answer, it probably isn't something to worry about too much. Because, anyone that would challenge you on the accuracy has likely had an equally difficult time finding the answer and may not truly know either. Just enjoy the models and run trains. If you like the look and it seems plausible then go for it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2023 14:57:18 GMT -5
Concerning the colour scheme of the PA1 to come, I think it is this and it was in use around 1949. So it is not for me ... even less than the green scheme !
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Post by zscalehobo on Feb 24, 2023 16:57:25 GMT -5
I'm envisioning something like Marty McFly looking at that photograph in Back to the Future film ... if you run a 1949 locomotive into a 1960s layout, maybe it vaporizes and vanishes? Unless you can run it at 88 scale miles per hour ...
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Post by Hans Riddervold (AZL) on Feb 25, 2023 13:18:14 GMT -5
We try to avoid stating the Year or Epoch of operation. There are too many railroads and repaints, modification of a paint scheme etc. As locomotives were repainted, it was one locomotive at the time, so quite common to see different paint schemes at the same time. The ALCO PA1 is a typical Epoch III locomotive. By 1970 they were not running anymore in the US except D&H. AZL name trains are modelled after a specific consist year(s) like the CZ, ATSF Super Chief, ATSF El Capitan and the upcoming UP COLA.
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