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Post by domi on May 5, 2021 10:22:38 GMT -5
Question for Hans and Rob : are all these locomotives available with chassis' last brand ?
Dom
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Post by zscalehobo on May 5, 2021 13:53:10 GMT -5
Not sure I understand your question, but maybe you're asking if the existing supply of GP38s are using the latest chassis which is not susceptible to zinc pest ... if that's the question then YES. They purged all the "low numbers" 62512 (I'm guessing) down to 62501 (i'm sure of this) in August 2017 (I remember this date, as I found an email in my sent folder asking Rob K why 14 line items were suddenly pulled from availability that day) ... As you can see, they have the re-build program for users with old chassis and then going forward all NEW GP38s should use the latest chassis that won't crumble. Also, to get a response from AZL, read this post: azlforum.com/thread/631/azl-customer-support |
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Post by sjl on May 5, 2021 14:12:57 GMT -5
You do still find the old ones on eBay, however, without any warning. I recently emailed Rob K about a CP loco, since there are two types out there, only one of which is potentially problematic I understand.
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Post by zscalehobo on May 5, 2021 14:20:22 GMT -5
Certainly there are a lot of unknown locos out there. If it's on eBay from a non-authorized AZL dealer, ask the seller to demonstrate chassis soundness by removing the circuit board and re-installing - surefire way to detect which chassis you have!  I would not buy a GP38-2 used from anyone unless it is sold as "new chassis" Any release post 2018 release or if an older model, it should have the 2020 or later chassis. Seems this list is in order of release (no dates supplied, but it makes sense to me) ... www.americanzline.com/locomotives/emd-gp38-2/my somewhat educated guess is that the cutoff is at the 62523 which were the first to have the new chassis style. Any loco listed ABOVE that 62523 is susceptible. Some lower numbers were rebuilt and those are listed near the bottom of that table with the -xR part number where R indicates "rebuilt." |
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Post by zscalehobo on May 5, 2021 14:27:53 GMT -5
You do still find the old ones on eBay, however, without any warning. I recently emailed Rob K about a CP loco, since there are two types out there, only one of which is potentially problematic I understand. Fortunately, I saved the dealer announcements and there's a clear visual note for the CP rail locomotives:   62505 is the "beaver" logo - that's the one with the defective chassis... (released September 2012) 62513 has the CP Rail italics lettering. That one has a good chassis. (released January 2017) Oddly enough, AZL used "62513" twice ... it was originally the undecorated GP38-2. But as I said - Jan 2017 it became a CP Rail GP38-2. Well, now you can buy your CP rail loco safely. |
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Post by sjl on May 5, 2021 14:34:19 GMT -5
Since the list is sortable, I'm not sure that works. But if you don't mind going over to another dealer's web page, you can find some date information there: www.zscalemonster.com/azl/62500/ My understanding is that 2015 and later is safe, which fits with the 2015 date he shows for the G&W (the number you noted above). |
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Post by zscalehobo on May 5, 2021 14:46:49 GMT -5
Since the list is sortable, I'm not sure that works. But if you don't mind going over to another dealer's web page, you can find some date information there: While sortable, it defaults to release order and it works (see attachment screencap) AZL still sold the lower numbers with questionable chassis' until the date I mentioned above (August 2017) ... but the problem was not in the 2015 releases as you indicated and yep 62523 was the first.  |
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Post by cwrr on May 5, 2021 14:59:58 GMT -5
This is some good knowledge, thanks to all the info everyone!
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Post by markm on May 5, 2021 16:14:54 GMT -5
Frank great information I appreciate that you posted it. Unfortunately, the GP38-2 is a gift that "keeps giving." The assumption in this discussion is that the shell (which is what the part number is based on) and the frame haven't been separated. I will assume that when RobK accepts a GP38-2 for ztrackresale, he checks the frame. Beyond than that on the resale market, one can't tell if the frame has been swapped, unintentionally or otherwise, or been rebuild by it's owner based on a model number.
The only way to tell, most of the time is to look under the hood. Even then not all the "problem" model numbers display the problem. I have a "problem unit" that has run well for years but I always keep in mind that the next time I run it, it may have rotted away.
Mark
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Post by ztrack on May 5, 2021 20:26:27 GMT -5
Hey guys some points of clarity. We know of no dealers who still have stock of 1st generation GP38s. We stopped selling these a few years ago and dealers were able to clear out their inventory.
All locos we currently have listed are 2nd generation and newer (2020 chassis).
When we take in 1st generation GP38s, we inspect the chassis. If it is degraded we talk to the owner about performing the upgrade. We did this with an ATSF GP38 that came in a few weeks ago. We will list on Ztrack Resale if the upgrade has happened.
Yup we slipped up and used 62513 twice. We also slipped up and used 62523 twice - Shortline Railroad (G&W) and Frisco. The list above is missing a few road names. Here is the list form the AZL main site:
AZL EMD GP38-2:
AZL # Road Name Road Number
62511 Milwaukee Road 352, 353, 357, 360
62505 Canadian Pacific 3040, 3043, 3108, 3134
62510 SOO 4405, 4410, 4428, 4449
62508 Union Pacific 366, 371, 391, 394
62509 ATSF 2372, 2374, 2379, 2380
62513 Undecorated Undecorated
62506 CSX 2504, 2517, 2533, 2534
62507 Norfolk Southern 5260, 5263, 5269, 5270
62504 CN 4700, 4704, 4728, 4715
62512 GTW 4910, 5824, 5827, 6222
62503 BNSF 2007, 2013, 2016, 2032
62501 Southern Pacific 158, 164, 167 (Don Bouchard), 170
62502 Burlington Northern 2081, 2109, 2290 (Don Bouchard), 2312
62523 Short Line Railroad 802, 2019, 3101
62517 Lehigh Valley 314, 315, 316
62519 Chicago & North Western 4604, 4619, 4621
62515 Louisville & Nashville 4050, 4054, 4067
62513 Canadian Pacific Rail 3022, 3045, 3060, 3124
62518-1 CSX 2557
62518-2 CSX 2610
62518-3 CSX 2650
62518-4 CSX 2704
62514-1 Illinois Central 9617 | Operation Lifesaver
62514-2 Illinois Central 9625
62514-3 Illinois Central 9630
62516-1 Missouri Pacific (MoPac) 2050
62516-2 Missouri Pacific (MoPac) 2069
62516-3 Missouri Pacific (MoPac) 2111
62521-1 Delaware & Hudson 7307
62521-2 Delaware & Hudson 7309
62521-3 Delaware & Hudson 7312
62520-1 KCS 1902
62520-2 KCS 1917
62520-3 KCS 2025
62522-1 Chessie | B&O 3802
62522-2 Chessie | B&O 3807
62522-3 Chessie | C&O 3864
62522-4 Chessie | C&O 3888
62508-5 Union Pacific 2001
62508-6 Union Pacific 2024
72117-1 ALASKA 7031
72117-2 ALASKA 7034
62523-1F FRISCO 402
62523-2F FRISCO 413
62503-5 BNSF 2087
62503-6 BNSF 2100
62525-1 MKT 304
62525-2 MKT 311
62502-1R BN 2020 Rebuild 2081
62502-2R BN 2020 Rebuild 2109
62502-3R BN 2020 Rebuild 2290 | Don Bouchard
62502-4R BN 2020 Rebuild 2312
62509-1R ATSF 2020 Rebuild 2372
62509-2R ATSF 2020 Rebuild 2374
62509-3R ATSF 2020 Rebuild 2379
62509-4R ATSF 2020 Rebuild 2380
62508-1R UP 2020 Rebuild 366
62508-2R UP 2020 Rebuild 371
62508-3R UP 2020 Rebuild 391
62508-4R UP 2020 Rebuild 394
62511-4R MILW 2020 Rebuild 360
62510-1R SOO Line 2020 Rebuild 4405
62510-2R SOO Line 2020 Rebuild 4410
62510-3R SOO Line 2020 Rebuild 4428
62510-4R SOO Line 2020 Rebuild 4429
62508-8 Union Pacific 2002
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Post by domi on May 6, 2021 7:42:05 GMT -5
Thank you guys (including Rob, latest above message) for your clarification. Myself I've no plans to purchase one of these models on the "used" market (ebay, etc), as I'm very happy with what is available on official websites such as AZL Direct or Z scale monster.  Dom |
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Post by cwrr on May 6, 2021 19:12:11 GMT -5
The GP38 is still the best deal in Z!
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I would not buy a GP38-2 used from anyone unless it is sold as "new chassis" Any release post 2018 release or if an older model, it should have the 2020 or later chassis.
