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Post by fulingyu on Sept 17, 2019 10:07:58 GMT -5
Yes, drawbars are included. Two are included in the three loco sets. Also the optional truck with coupler is in the packaging. Alll locos are powered, the A and B units in the sets. The F3s are DCC ready and do use AZL's standard PCB. The front coupler is easily removed from the pilot. There is a small hole, but it can easily be filled. I bought the WP ABB set but I only found ONE drawbar in the two boxes. How can I get the missing drawbar? |
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Post by markm on Sept 17, 2019 10:12:47 GMT -5
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one. Contact Rob: robkluz@ztrack.com
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Post by ciccino on Nov 15, 2019 9:26:36 GMT -5
Hello!
As far as the Western Pacific F3s are concerned, I have a question: with this same CZ livery, were they also used in freight service? If yes, in what consist (i.e., F3A only, F3ABA etc.).
Thank you
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Post by markm on Nov 15, 2019 11:44:52 GMT -5
Actually there were two CZ liveries: one for freight with nose whiskers and a passenger one with nose wings:  MTL F7A (freight) vs. AZL F3A (passenger) I don't believe they ever mixed the livery A units. Road numbers 801 and 802 were renumbered as 925A & C. at the end of the F7 numbering series and could be used for freight service once the FP7s became the prime movers for the CZ. As far as operation, the passenger units were always run ABB for the F3s, AB(B) for the FP7s. For freight almost anything combination of F unit in any orientation: rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=390788Although I can't confirm the details, it is said that some of the F units could only be run as cab forward. Hope this helps, Mark |
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Post by ciccino on Nov 15, 2019 12:20:59 GMT -5
Actually there were two CZ liveries: one for freight with nose whiskers and a passenger one with nose wings: View AttachmentMTL F7A (freight) vs. AZL F3A (passenger) I don't believe they ever mixed the livery A units. Road numbers 801 and 802 were renumbered as 925A & C. at the end of the F7 numbering series and could be used for freight service once the FP7s became the prime movers for the CZ. As far as operation, the passenger units were always run ABB for the F3s, AB(B) for the FP7s. For freight almost anything combination of F unit in any orientation: rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=390788Although I can't confirm the details, it is said that some of the F units could only be run as cab forward. Hope this helps, Mark Thank you very much, Mark! Very interesting and very useful :-) |
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Post by charlie on Feb 1, 2020 13:48:48 GMT -5
Hi there, any idea when the second batch with set N°72102 will come out? Waiting is terrible when I see other having their CZ running!!  charlie |
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Post by markm on Feb 1, 2020 14:02:33 GMT -5
Hi there, any idea when the second batch with set N°72102 will come out? Waiting is terrible when I see other having their CZ running!! charlie At the moment it’s probably more important to get the F3s before they are all sold out. BTW the current issue of Ztrack has a good piece on using the tiebars. At some point it should be added to the AZL knowledge base. Mark |
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Post by charlie on Feb 2, 2020 7:52:10 GMT -5
Hi there, any idea when the second batch with set N°72102 will come out? Waiting is terrible when I see other having their CZ running!! charlie At the moment it’s probably more important to get the F3s before they are all sold out. BTW the current issue of Ztrack has a good piece on using the tiebars. At some point it should be added to the AZL knowledge base. Mark I ordered the F3 WP set when they were released! We're waiting the cars to come out before shipping! And I already have at home a set of D&RGW ABBA in black and yellow Just need to be more patient!  Charlie |
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Post by markm on Feb 2, 2020 14:50:59 GMT -5
Sounds like your in good shape for locomotives. If you want the PRR add-on car, they seem to be disappearing fast.
Actually I've been a bit surprised we haven't seen more of the Budd cars beyond the CZ sets. While the CZ cars would be predominately limited to Burlington route trains, the 10-6 sleeper was a very popular configuration. And while I haven't done the rivet counting to the prototypes, the model seems to fit with a number of roads: AMTK, ATSF, and Armour yellow for UP, MILW and SP. It also seems that a couple of SP diners (in daylight colors!) match the model.
Mark
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Post by ugeesta on Mar 8, 2021 22:30:02 GMT -5
Found the promotional video for the California Zephyr too. It's interesting to see the different setups thru the video. Some DRGW engines are set up with 3 locos and others have 4. Same with the Vista cars. They range from 3 to 5 up front.
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Post by Commodore on Mar 9, 2021 15:33:59 GMT -5
The 3 unit DRG locomotives are Alco PA's
The 2 unit Burlington Locomotives are E9
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Post by sjl on Mar 9, 2021 18:20:11 GMT -5
That beach near the beginning is pretty clearly in SoCal, despite where the Zephyr actually went.
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Post by sjl on Mar 9, 2021 18:30:13 GMT -5
The 3 unit DRG locomotives are Alco PA's The 2 unit Burlington Locomotives are E9 It looks like there is footage of two different trains here: in the DRG segment, at some points, 3 Alco PA's, and at another 4 F3s (A-B-B-A) look to be in use. |
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Post by markm on Mar 9, 2021 20:49:00 GMT -5
I’ve probably viewed this video and the introduction image a dozen times over the years, but just spent too many hours studying them last night. Thanks for reminding me. Here’s my observations. First the cover image doesn’t really go with the video. It was taken in 1969-70. The overpass in the background is I580 westbound completed in 1969. However the road cut is still fresh and with the greenery, it’s most likely spring 1970. The lead locomotive is a FP7A followed by two F3Bs. The next car is a steam generator car (built from a heavyweight baggage car by GN), followed by the standard baggage. The next two cars, the dome and probable coach are foreign cars, as this was the position the CZ would place them. They’re probably Burlington as I don’t have a record of any other silver domes on the Zephyr. The rest of the train looks like the standard CZ consist, which would have been three dome coaches (less in the off season), dome lounge, diner, 6-5 sleeper (which replaced the 16 section sleepers in the mid-50), 10-6 sleeper and dome observation. The video is probably produced 1961-62, as it shows the re-reroute for the Orville dam (1957), Oakland Kaiser build8ng (1960) and the credits don’t include a zip code. DRGW WANTED TO RUN 3 PAs rather than 4 F. Units. They even had a CZ paint scheme:  Shortly after the start of the CZ they agreed to switch to the F3s. When AZL does the PAs, I hope they will consider this scheme. The WP scenes are various trains with the typicall A multiple B consist but also a most unusual A-B-A, which is very strange as WP F units didn’t have steam connections on the nose according to an engineer I spoke with a few years back. However WP leased an F3A unit from Sacramento Northern in 1960 which appears to have a steam connection in the nose. The records indicated this unit was leased specifically for a CZ backup but was rarely used. Starting in the late 1950s, the Zephyr started hosting cars from other railroads. The typical configuration was coaches behind the baggage and sleepers ahead of the observation. Hosted railroads included SP, UP, NP, IC,ATSF. If anyone is interested I can provide details so you can add some color to your CZ. Hope this was interesting, Mark |
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Post by sjl on Mar 10, 2021 13:05:37 GMT -5
The bit at the end of the video about taking a "side trip" to Los Angeles from SF is pretty amusing, and takes advantage of people not understanding how big California actually is – who is going to take a "side trip" to Boston next time they are in DC?
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