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Post by ztrack on Jul 29, 2019 20:36:14 GMT -5
I came across this image. What a mix of equipment! Starting with the Northern Pacifc heavy-weight diner in the front. Other heavy-weights are mixed around the around. The UP light-weights are a real contrast to the other cars. Note the SP Daylight heavy-weight in the background. Interesting! This is a classic photo of an era when the heavy-weights were transition to the light-weights. The photo is from the following link: passcarphotos.rypn.org/Indices/NP1.htmRob
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Post by markm on Jul 29, 2019 21:39:33 GMT -5
A bit more interesting than it appears. The Armour Yellow cars are lettered for Pullman. Unusual combination. The car on the upper right is Frisco. Now I'm just wondering where one would find NP, SP,Pullman, UP, Frisco all in the same yard?
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Post by cwrr on Jul 30, 2019 9:30:31 GMT -5
Chicago, maybe? Only place I can think of where all these might mingle.
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Post by markm on Jul 30, 2019 10:20:59 GMT -5
Yes I'm at a bit of a loss. I didn't think the Frisco trains made it as far north as Chicago. Generally speaking SP Daylight cars rarely left the system, but could be a Cotton Belt car. The Pullman/UP cars suggest a COLA train C.1947. My thought was a Pullman shop such as Richmond CA, but I have problems getting the Frisco car there. Perhaps a museum yard?
BTW: Chief Rocky Bear is a 8-1-1 sleeper.
Mark
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Post by ztrack on Jul 30, 2019 11:57:00 GMT -5
Okay I love that this is stumping Mark. I found where the photo was originally posted. The answer is St Louis. The photos are from the Terminal Railroad Association, on May 30, 1957. Check out the link below. The photos are fantastic. There are quite the mix of passenger cars. I spotted a few more roads including Illinois Central and MoPac. The Daylight car is actually a combine. Very interesting. In one of the photos, a Daylight E unit looks like it is being serviced with a Frisco loco. Okay Mark, what else can you spot in these images? Lot's of eye candy! www.westernrailimages.com/Terminal-Railroad-Association/Terminal-Railroad-Association/i-CF5G6LDRob
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Post by cwrr on Jul 30, 2019 12:55:28 GMT -5
That's an odd place for that NP car though, unless it's a business car?
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Post by Rob Albritton on Jul 30, 2019 16:57:50 GMT -5
That's an odd place for that NP car though, unless it's a business car? That's the Jefferson Ave coach yard in St. Louis, MO. And no, it is not a business car. It is a Pullman Plan 3973A 10 Sect - 1 DR - 1 Comp sleeper on St. Louis through service from the NP's premier train, the North Coast Limited. And yes, I did waaaaaay too much research on all these things when I did the Heavyweight (and lightweight) projects!
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Post by markm on Jul 31, 2019 21:07:58 GMT -5
You know the original image selection is interesting in that the only time I was in St. Louis was the end of May 1957.
As for the photo stream, it's not as interesting as the original post. I can't download the images to process for detail enhancement. I have to say the C&EI No 200 was interesting.
I'm still at a loss for how the NP cars made it to St. Louis. I've checked the 1957 NP timetable which shows neither a scheduled through Finally you can to St. Louis, lightweight or heavyweight, nor heavyweight sleepers scheduled outside of the Northwestern pool service. The only path I can see for those cars is on the UP City of St Louis. So Rob can you settle my curiosity? What was the road for through service?
You can never learn too much about railroads. After 40+ years I've barely learned anything east of the Rockies and after my attendance of the SP & UP historical societies convention, I realized I still have a lot to learn about west of the Rockies.
Mark
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Post by Commodore on Feb 12, 2021 17:36:19 GMT -5
Well?
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Post by markm on Feb 14, 2021 18:06:49 GMT -5
Since this has bubbled up to the top again, I have a couple of new comments. First the Daylight car. SP had only one PB combine painted in Daylight colors, 3176, which was assigned to the Sacramento Daylight and rarely wandered beyond Lathrop. However the Cotton Belt ran Daylight heavyweight passenger cars. The Cotton Belt version differed from SP in that the roofs were painted aluminum instead of black. So the combine most likely belonged to them. I can neither confirm nor refute Rob's statement on the NP cars. I've yet to find an NP passenger train schedule from the late 50s reporting a connecting train into St, Louis. One other possibility from my studies of the CZ is that the cars were part of a special train. I learned the CZ started hosting specials of foreign equipment by the late 50s and these cars could be part of some convention or corporate event that caught a ride on a train into St. Louis.
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Post by Commodore on Feb 14, 2021 21:09:14 GMT -5
Blowing up the photograph, the car in daylight paint appears to say "Railway Post Office"
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Post by sjl on Feb 17, 2021 14:45:03 GMT -5
I believe NP had a connection to St Louis through Billings (via Burlington), but I was not aware they ran any though cars on that route, but maybe. The car could have also come to St Louis via St. Paul, again via the Burlington. Perhaps more likely.
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