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Post by cwrr on Sept 10, 2018 14:51:45 GMT -5
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Post by dazed on Sept 10, 2018 17:11:43 GMT -5
So set up your little rail empire however you want and enjoy it to the max. I feel like it is important to note that some folks enjoyment comes from trying to model a particular railroad and era as accurately as possible. So for me, "how I want" means that I try to have cars that represent an era as closely as possible, and with a reasonable percentage of foreign road cars, and freight cars that represent the traffic that was hauled on the railroad I'm attempting to emulate. Now, that's not to say that I don't appreciate or respect what others do. I always like to say "I've never met a train I didn't like" so if you're doing things your way and throwing caution to the wind and having fun then by all means GO FOR IT!!! I'll still watch your trains for hours on end and enjoy them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 23:21:40 GMT -5
The exact problem was that I wanted to add the brown-yellow PRR-caboose to the end of my freight train (it looked fine), pulled either by my NH-GP9 or a NYC-loco ; as I saw on the map the PRR came to New-York, too, so I thought it would not be absurd (I never thought of an ATSF or UP caboose ! ). Now I will use my MTL-Reading caboose : I know it's false, too, but I don't wanna add a second error ! Perhaps my "painting-friend" (who painted/sprayed all my structures and bumpers, I am not talented in painting) could help for conversion, only the roof parts and the windows frames need to be painted (or I would use a NS-caboose which has a better "red", still available at some shops), the markings could be made by me with the computer, with red background (if I can edit the correct red with my bitmap prog ! ) for each side. Sorry that the caboose shown here is not available in Z !
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Post by markm on Sept 11, 2018 9:57:49 GMT -5
I can see why you would want a NH caboose.
I have couple of thoughts: using the image above, I think the MTL-CN caboose red matches better and it's still available. As for decals, I've had success using the nose door decals for an N scale E or F locomotive. I don't know the availably for NH.
I would be interested in seeing what you come up with.
Mark
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2018 11:32:28 GMT -5
Thanks, Mark, but the CN has a BLACK "cupola", I have an address where I could still find the NS version ; the red is not so perfect, but in counterpart it's FULLY red, only the roofs and the frames of the windows to re-paint ; the logo would be covered by the new decal (I hope ... )
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Post by dazed on Sept 12, 2018 10:04:40 GMT -5
the logo would be covered by the new decal (I hope ... ) DISCLAIMER: ATTEMPT THE FOLLOWING PROCESS AT YOUR OWN RISK. THERE IS A CHANCE THAT YOU WILL IN FACT REMOVE SOME PAINT. You should be able to remove the logo if you're very careful. Follow (with caveats, see below) this video: The difference is that for Micro-Trains decoration, you will need to use camp fuel (aka white gas) instead of Micro-Sol. In my experience it also seems to take multiple saturations of the tissue as the camp fuel evaporates much quicker than the Micro-Sol. And, I find that for Micro-Trains decoration you need to leave the soaked-tissue applied longer than the video suggests. (I've had it take twice as long or more before the lettering begins to be affected.) But, as long as you are careful and have patience, you should be able to remove the lettering without removing the paint. (but again, see disclaimer above.)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 1:16:25 GMT -5
I saw that an undec version was backordered at Z Scale Monster Trains. Maybe it would have been the best solution ? Unfortunately I think that the roofs are not removable, in order to paint (spray) them separately.
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Post by markm on Sept 13, 2018 7:51:01 GMT -5
It's been some time since MTL actually made the undec versions available 4-5 years?). They are good in that it's a nice clean base to start on. However, they offered no guarantee as to the plastic color and it is advantageous to start with the plastic being a similar color to the final paint job.
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Post by BAZman on Sept 13, 2018 10:44:52 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2018 10:57:49 GMT -5
Almost the same is available readymade by MTL at Zscale Monster trains ... Yes, I admit that the Animek could be a base for a NH version but, as I wrote several times, I don't like lasercuts ...
I have the "Reading" version, it could be a good base for conversion, too ...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2018 15:30:16 GMT -5
Finally, I think I give it up, the main problem would be to print the background of the decals with the same red as the car ... So my NH-loco will go on pulling a train either with a NYC or a Reading caboose. Nobody is expected to do the impossible !
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Post by smr on Sept 16, 2018 2:52:29 GMT -5
Finally, I think I give it up, the main problem would be to print the background of the decals with the same red as the car ... So my NH-loco will go on pulling a train either with a NYC or a Reading caboose. Nobody is expected to do the impossible ! Hi Alberich, Did you ever contact Sascha (Z-Customizer)? He does things like that on an every-day basis. zcustomizer.de/about%20us/index.htmlBest, Sven
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Post by markm on Sept 16, 2018 13:30:43 GMT -5
Alberich, Should you change your mind, Microscale has a couple of N scale decal sheets that look like they have all the pieces you could use: 60-68 and 60-937. The only image I was able to dig up from the era you're modeling is much simpler than the example you gave: www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1014909
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2018 15:33:35 GMT -5
Thanks Mark, I noticed that the windows are different, when I searched for "NE-5 NewHaven" I found only versions with 2 windows at each side. The picture that I published is from an O-Gauge Model by Railking. On the other side, MTL manufactured the version with 4 windows (but not in NH), so I think it existed really. All the way the version on the picture is perhaps a compromise, maybe concerning the era ? I followed Sven's advice and contacted "Sascha" ; no problem, he lives in Munich and I speak German, too ... I attached both pictures, the picture of my "Reading" caboose (red base colour, I would sacrifice it ! ) and the other of the "NH" version. But I didn't yet get an answer, I think the reason is because it's sunday. The problem with the readymade decals is that I would need to adapt the red colour (even if I spray the car with another red), unless they have a transparent background ; for the scale problem my scanner would help me, but I cannot print white on transparent with my colour laser, in case of a transparent background (the only printer to do this would be a "sublimation" version) ... So I should print the logo "negative" on a red background (on a white decal), and so we are again at the problem with the red tone !
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Post by dazed on Sept 17, 2018 10:09:10 GMT -5
I think Mark has the right idea. The Micro-Scale decals are transparent, and should be close enough in size to give a good representation.
If Sascha does not reply or otherwise that route ends in a dead end, I might be willing to take this on. I see it going down like this: 1. We'll locate an NS caboose and one or both decal sets. 2. I'll (a) remove NS lettering; (b) paint roof area(s) black; (c) clearcote (Future polish) for decal application; (d) apply NH decals; (e) final clearcoat and/or dullcoat 3. If I can't remove the lettering cleanly, I'll try to color match to fix any blemishes. If I completely botch it, I'll just stop the project there and you won't owe anything and I'll sell a stripped caboose and unused decals on eBay. 4. Price would be material costs (caboose, decals, paint, and misc like clearcoat, small bit of white gas to remove MTL decoration, etc.) plus labor. (estimated $30 incl 2-3 hours to remove MTL decoration, mask, paint, remove mask, apply decals, apply clearcoat)
Doug
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