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Post by markm on Dec 17, 2017 15:05:27 GMT -5
Sven,
I try to be very specific with my words. I said "retired" because there will be no new models using the chassis for the models that are in the market, per Hans. It doesn't preclude AZL from bringing out a new chassis and road names in the future. I would also consider the 6200 series GP7 to also be retired.
I'd call it "out of production" (OOP) if currently no new models currently being produced, but the capacity exists.
In both cases I don't consider availability to be a factor. If wasn't, I'd call it "Not available"
Mark
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Post by smr on Dec 17, 2017 15:20:19 GMT -5
Sven, I try to be very specific with my words. I said "retired" because there will be no new models using the chassis for the models that are in the market, per Hans. It doesn't preclude AZL from bringing out a new chassis and road names in the future. I would also consider the 6200 series GP7 to also be retired. I'd call it "out of production" (OOP) if currently no new models currently being produced, but the capacity exists. In both cases I don't consider availability to be a factor. If wasn't, I'd call it "Not available" Mark I can live with your definitions, Mark, However, I am a practical guy - Availability is key! "Retired" or "OOP" with no limitations on today's availability may be interesting to know in advance, but limited availability of e.g. heritage SD70Ace's or brass articles impacts your access and counts for you finally much more. Best, Sven |
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Post by mgatdog on Dec 17, 2017 15:43:44 GMT -5
Well I see it this way if there is a certain road name that you can't find. That is brand new from a dealer and if a factory is not in business or setting on molds. You flat out can't order it from MTL it's "RETIRED "
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Post by mgatdog on Dec 17, 2017 16:12:14 GMT -5
You can still get brand new MTL GP9s. I know hobby shops have them with Oregon air. Shamoo 737 B&O # 6604 and # 6607 I'll take one of each then. |
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Post by ZFRANK on Dec 17, 2017 16:42:13 GMT -5
MTL springs can be replaced by wires. And if you run just DC, you can bend the motor contacts to the chassis. Thats how my SW1000 runs without any circuit board. Furthermore, I thought Gerd did put MTL GP35 shells over an AZL GP30 chasis.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 17:27:46 GMT -5
Alea jacta est ... I ordered a MTL-GP35 for conversion to NH-GP9. But I would still be interested in buying a NH Fx from AZL ... when available. Passenger trains don't interest me, I have already the NH-Budd's running in dual unit, this is enough for my local line ; and, big advantage, this is ONE train which can run in BOTH directions !
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Post by QcKraag on Dec 18, 2017 0:18:45 GMT -5
Heck, Gerd can put a GMD-1 on an Azl gp30 chassis, he can pretty much do anything lol
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Post by domi on Dec 18, 2017 7:49:04 GMT -5
I indeed once serviced one of my MTL Geeps and I agree, I found dealing with these small springs rather tricky. I now plan to perform "simplified" servicing on my MTL hood units, simply opening truck sections, cleaning axles and copper contacts, then setting them back in place and lubing gearings. But nothing up towards the chassis. Dom Sorry guys, I did not know that you really want to run your MTL engine, they are usually nowadays just collector items. If you want to play with them, you are better of to buy the skins at eg Anthony‘s Z scale Monster for $32 and use your favorite GP7 chassis from AZL. Best, Sven As I'm definitely not a collector, every locomotive in my roster is due to take its share of train hauling....  Dom |
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Post by domi on Dec 18, 2017 7:57:46 GMT -5
Does the MTL shell fit "1 to 1" onto the AZL chassis ? Not exactly. As said elsewhere, MTL hood units are about 1 scale foot too broad, in order to accomodate their 8mm Maxon motor. On the opposite AZL units are very close to prototypical size, see completely matching. Thus, if you want to put a MTL shell on an AZL chassis, you'll have to fill some open space (if I had to do that I'd use equally set left and right cardboard sheets). Dom |
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Post by markm on Dec 18, 2017 10:34:34 GMT -5
Alberich, I hope you enjoy the MTL GP as much as I have mine. I'm afraid NH never owned any F3s or F7s, only FAs and FBs. Here's their roster. You many find something that interests you: www.thedieselshop.us/NH.HTML BTW I find the image at the top of their page an interesting scene to model. Mark |
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Post by smr on Dec 18, 2017 10:44:16 GMT -5
Does the MTL shell fit "1 to 1" onto the AZL chassis ? Not exactly. As said elsewhere, MTL hood units are about 1 scale foot too broad, in order to accomodate their 8mm Maxon motor. On the opposite AZL units are very close to prototypical size, see completely matching. Thus, if you want to put a MTL shell on an AZL chassis, you'll have to fill some open space (if I had to do that I'd use equally set left and right cardboard sheets). Dom I second that! This is exactly what we do too.  We have a set of four AZL chassis and all MTL are made to fit loosely. You have to watch out when you lift them of the tracks, but otherwise nobody noticed that before.  e.g. MTL's WP 725..........  Best, Sven |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 11:48:31 GMT -5
Problem solved : I ordered a MTL-GP35 in Germany and a MTL-NH-GP9 shell at ZScale Monster ... But I would still be interested in buying one NH freight loco (with the "very coloured" scheme in orange-black-white) or road switcher around 1960.
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Post by gerd on Dec 18, 2017 22:20:07 GMT -5
"only" 50% AZL: U25B, modified GP38-2 chassis on metal shell  |
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