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Post by markm on Apr 29, 2013 11:57:06 GMT -5
Willy, Try posting just the link then. Mark
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Post by trainboy4 on Jun 5, 2013 9:13:37 GMT -5
I was excited that there are more "pullman" cars to buy.
But then I noticed the coach's are undecorated. What gives with that no pullman coachs?
Now I almost feel like selling them all off if there is not going to be any pullman coachs. I was hoping for decorated pulllman coaches. Tons of sleepers and no coachs. Why did you guys decide to skip decorated coaches? Or are they still coming?
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Post by trainboy4 on Jun 5, 2013 9:16:21 GMT -5
I hate numbering cars yourself.
Should the price be cheaper for undecorated.
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Post by Rob Albritton on Jun 5, 2013 10:20:51 GMT -5
I was excited that there are more "pullman" cars to buy. But then I noticed the coach's are undecorated. What gives with that no pullman coachs? Now I almost feel like selling them all off if there is not going to be any pullman coachs. I was hoping for decorated pulllman coaches. Tons of sleepers and no coachs. Why did you guys decide to skip decorated coaches? Or are they still coming? Our only "Undecorated" Heavyweight cars are the 71701-0 (Paired Window Coach painted Pullman Green) and 71702-0 (Paired Window Coach painted Pullman Two Tone Grey) These were made to match the Pullman Green (71x01 series cars) and Pullman Two Tone Grey (71X02 series cars) We will be releasing (have released) Heavyweight Paired Window Coaches with Railroad names and car numbers for PRR, NYC, B&O, CN, GTW, and ATSF. By the way, in case you have not discovered it yet, the Heavyweight car part number system is as follows: 71XYY-Z where X = Body Style (1 = 12-1 Sleeper / 2 = 8-1-2 Sleeper / 3 = 6-3 Sleeper / 4 = 28-1 Parlor / 5 = Dining Car / 6 = Baggage / 7 = Paired Window Coach ) YY = Railroad (1 = Pullman [green] / 2 = Pullman [two tone grey] / 3 = PRR / 4 = SP / 5 = C&NW / 6 = Southern / 7 = NYC [two tone grey] / 8 = UP [yellow] / 9 = L&N / 10 = B&O etc. etc. ) Z = Name / Number series (if Zero, then this car has no name or number and is suitable for applying your own name / number decals) Best, -Rob(A)
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Post by trainboy4 on Jun 6, 2013 10:11:51 GMT -5
What I was complaining about was. Did Pullman not have any "PULLMAN" lettered coaches?
I was going to buy those up. I don't do custom lettering.
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Post by boxcarwilly on Jul 7, 2013 10:19:48 GMT -5
I tried to post pics of the kind of sleepers I was looking for in Canadian liveries, but I couldn't do it. They would not go. Kept telling me it was copyrighted material. In any case, I stumbled across the correct term for these sleepers. They are called duplex sleepers where an upper berth has it's own window, usually the same size as a regular window in a sleeper car but it is offset and falls between the two bottom windows. I've seen these in many configurations from two to three on one side, to the entire length of the car. I haven't been able to find any specific cross sections or floor plans to these cars so I don't know for sure if the upper berth is within a compartment or if it's open to the passageway with a curtain that closes it off. The full car version of this type I've seen many times in movies. Not much privacy in those types of sleepers. Anyway, it would be nice to have one or two of these duplex sleepers in all Canadian liveries.
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Post by markm on Jul 7, 2013 16:53:30 GMT -5
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Post by Rob Albritton on Jul 7, 2013 20:35:04 GMT -5
What I was complaining about was. Did Pullman not have any "PULLMAN" lettered coaches? I was going to buy those up. I don't do custom lettering. Correct: the Pullman company did not own or operate coaches, so no coaches lettered "PULLMAN". Coaches were owned and operated by the various railroads. Pullman owned and operated sleeping cars, and some parlor cars and dining cars. In fact you purchased two tickets for a Pullman sleeper: one ticket from the railroad for transportation, and another ticket from the Pullman company for your overnight accommodations.
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Post by boxcarwilly on Jul 8, 2013 10:18:36 GMT -5
Yes Mark this is similar to what I was talking about only the kind we have here have the duplexes at one end only. I've never seen a car like this on any Canadian line. If you put in duplex sleeping car in your search engine, you should come up with several versions of the kind I'm talking about. There's an excellent version of a Great Northern duplex sleeper on a U-Tube video. There are several other versions as well. Walther's put's out an duplex sleeper in Via liveries. That's the kind I'd like to have. K
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Post by markm on Jul 9, 2013 10:48:28 GMT -5
Correct: the Pullman company did not own or operate coaches, so no coaches lettered "PULLMAN". Rob(A), I'm not sure that is entirely correct. The AZL releases have renewed my interest in passenger trains in and out of California causing me to dust-off some old books. In general (both LW & HW cars), it is amazing the lettering and paint conbinations that existed. For example, Pullman had a couple of armour yellow sleepers, lettered for the PRR for service on the City of LA. I've recently run across an unverified reference to two 48 seat coaches in two-tone grey running on the LA Limited, UP5317 & UP5340, that were lettered for Pullman! Mark
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Post by trainboy4 on Aug 6, 2013 13:07:52 GMT -5
I hope to see Burlington and also Southern Pacific for these passenger cars. At lease the coaches, observation, baggage, RPO.
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Post by Rob Albritton on Aug 6, 2013 13:13:58 GMT -5
I hope to see Burlington and also Southern Pacific for these passenger cars. At lease the coaches, observation, baggage, RPO. Which colors for Burlington: Silver Shadowline or dark green? Also which colors for Sputhern Pacific: Dark Green or Two Tone Grey? (SP did not have any heavyweights in daylight orange and red colors)
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Post by Rob Albritton on Aug 6, 2013 13:34:05 GMT -5
I've recently run across an unverified reference to two 48 seat coaches in two-tone grey running on the LA Limited, UP5317 & UP5340, that were lettered for Pullman! Mark In the late 1940s there were many Pullman sleepers (mainly 14 section and 12-1) that were sold to the railroads and converted into coaches. I have seen a handful of cases where these were pushed into service before being repainted to take the PULLMAN name off, but this is exceptionally rare. The 5300-5327 Chair cars were built by Pullman in the summer of 1937 as part of lot 6510. They are illustrated in Vol. 14 of The Pullman Standard Library. These were lightweight cars built to Floor Plan 235-CB-22229. UP5340 was also a Pullman built 48 seat lightweight coach, delivered in 1941 Lot No: 6663, Floor Plan: 237-CB-22833, it was Delivered painted in olive green, with "The Challenger" lettering, with "City of St. Louis" letterboard added in March 1946. UP5340 was donated to Promontory Chapter NRHS, and moved to Heber City, Utah as part of Heber Creeper collection. Later it went to Heber Valley Historic Railroad in July 1992. To the best of my knowledge, neither of these UP chair cars were ever lettered PULLMAN, but the LA Limited did cary many Pullman Sleepers in its consist, so it is possible the photographer was confused.
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Post by trainboy4 on Aug 6, 2013 13:36:19 GMT -5
I hope to see Burlington and also Southern Pacific for these passenger cars. At lease the coaches, observation, baggage, RPO. Which colors for Burlington: Silver Shadowline or dark green? Also which colors for Sputhern Pacific: Dark Green or Two Tone Grey? (SP did not have any heavyweights in daylight orange and red colors) DARK GREEN FOR BOTH.
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Post by Rob Albritton on Aug 6, 2013 14:21:14 GMT -5
You got it!
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