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Post by mgatdog on Apr 5, 2024 13:53:23 GMT -5
And these also
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Post by bapakbob on Apr 5, 2024 18:36:11 GMT -5
Well, as long as we are wishing from Neil Young's railroad for new product; I'd be proud to run this ET44C4 in Z scale. Shucks, Old Neil even made it to run on 031 track. And he lit the track too! "Well, I hope Neil Young will remember: A Southern Z man needs him around!" Attachments:
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Post by cwrr on Apr 5, 2024 19:38:48 GMT -5
Try HERE. I just got their announcement. They may still have stock. Nope, but I never realized they had that much Z, thanks for the link!
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Post by loco5150 on Apr 5, 2024 20:47:21 GMT -5
I saw that unit as well and noticed it disappeared. How do you know it did not sell? There were units on sale on this forum for 500-600 as well. So not sure it was that far off. Crazy prices It may have sold somewhere but I just did an eBay search and the only heritage AZL SD70ACe’s that came up were NS that have sold, back to January 6 of this year. But, yes, it’s basic economics that when demand exceeds supply in a free economy, the price goes up. I’m not surprised to see high prices for a popular flag of a very limited run. I guess we should be very glad AZL and its approved distributors aren’t selling the popular heritages for a much higher price right out of the gate. I kept it on my watchlist each time it was relisted. I never saw a single bid and it was never reflected as sold, at least not on eBay. The seller may have found a hungry soul elswhere.
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Post by fulingyu on Apr 6, 2024 21:42:51 GMT -5
Okay, in the first place, i NEVER made the point of AZL selling out EVERY rerun 8-10 year release for UP heritage. Heck we don't even know if it's definate that AZL will do a 3rd rerun, much less a rerun EVERY 8-10 years. What I did say was that I hope we don't have to wait another 8 years (the time between the first and second reruns) for a possible 3rd rerun. And i suggested a 4-5 year gap between reruns to allow time for new Z scalers entering the market to have a chance at getting one of these beauties. All while maintaing a sense of rareness and uniqueness of these heritage models. Having too many heritage units available would dilute their rarity and uniqueness. having smaller reruns every so often helps mainttain their specialness while still giving chances of obtaining them.
Your original statement was:
You made the comment that a third run would probably become warehouse dust collectors if AZL issued them without any changes to them. I disagreed with that statement and gave my reasons why i felt they wouldn't become dust collectors. i'm not sure if AZL could even make changes on a possible 3rd run since i don't think there have been any more changes to the real heritage units. Besides you even hoped that a possible 3rd run would go to new Z scalers.
I'm afraid you misunderstood my inclusion of Disney in the discussion. It was NOT a direct comparison between Disney and model railroading or even AZL. MY inclusion of Disney was an EXAMPLE of a company that rotates it's product line to keep interest in their products without over inflating their inventory. By a careful control of those products, Disney is able to keep generating interest in older titles, while keeping their current catalog looking fresh and attractive. If Disney kept every single one of their titles, their catalog would become immense and tiresome to browse through. People would lose interest in all their titles. By carefully retiring some titles for awhile and then resurrecting them as a limited time offering, they are able to create new interest for those titles because of presumed rarity and uniqueness. i was merely using Disney as a possible model for AZL to follow.
Unfortunately, i have to agree with you that too many parents use DVD's as babysitters and not as enjoyable family time. Much to the detriment of our families and society. However, i have to disagree with you that DVD babysitter will never change.
BECAUSE IT ALREADY HAS CHANGED.
DVD's will wear out like video and cassette tapes before them. Technology changes constanly. With the changes in hard drives, flash memory, Roku and Fire Sticks we now have DIGITAL babysitting. With 5G and mesh routers we now have STREAMING babysitting. Best Buy, probably the nations largest electronics retailer left no longer sells DVD's because "everybody just downloads everything now". You can still buy DVD's from other retailers but it is getting harder to have a wide selection. But i digress. Back to my Disney example.
One other thing about Disney rotating their stock. THEY DO NOT JUST RERELEASE THE SAME DVD EVERY 10 YEARS OR SO.
They are in various formats - DVD, BluRay, 4K, extended cut, director's cut, reimaged and enhanced versions. There are also collector sets, commentary editons, anniversary editions, steelbook collectible artwork packaging. While some of this is shiny new packaging, Disney knows how to make a good presentation to create interest and excitement. Literally, different versions to attract different groups - not just DVD babysitters, but also collectors, movie trivia fans, and others.
With all these unique and variations of "DVD's" might we also be able to make a comparison to heritage editions and specialty locomotives being rotated in the mix of regular locomotives?
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Post by mgatdog on Apr 6, 2024 22:50:50 GMT -5
[quote author=" fulingyu " One other thing about Disney rotating their stock. THEY DO NOT JUST RERELEASE THE SAME DVD EVERY 10 YEARS OR SO. [/quote] I was short on time for the response I was writing.I thought you might figure what i was getting to about Disney .with out typing a book. I get dvd’ s are thing of past,again I was hoping you would see my point with out writing a book. Shit live stream today come 2 years from you’ll probably just push a button and it’ll play from a chip in your brain. Ya Disney is a Business its always for refresh their products AS FOR LITTLE MERMAID HAS BEEN RELEASED 3 TIMES IN PAST 36 YEARS. BOUGHT ON VHS FOR DAUGHTER AND THEN DVD AND IT JUST RELEASED IN PAST FEW YEARS .WITH LITTLE MERMAID OF COLOR. So yes they did release same thing pretty closs to every 10 YEARS
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Post by mgatdog on Apr 6, 2024 23:58:26 GMT -5
To be fair, it's not quite accurate to say that nobody is (was) interested in the NS heritage offerings. Roughly half of them eventually sold out while others are still in Monster's inventory sitting there after 8 years. But they sold out OVER time. Contrast that to each and every UP heritage selling out within minutes of release. And here we are 8 years later watching AZL history repeating itself. So yeah, AZL has a good marketing plan going on. Just hope that we don't have to wait ANOTHER 8 years for the next rerun. So i support AZL for all that they do. The only thing I wish they would do is to have re runs more often. I mean we have that huge list of items that are out of stock or running out. While it is nice to know what AZL products are running out, it would be just as nice to know when will they be replenished so we can purchase them again. Plus, it would help newcombers to Z knowing that stufff isn't produced only once - if you missed it you'll never see it again unless on flea bay. Perhaps instead of always having new product that you have to grab right away, maybe once or twice a year you have a re run of PS2's, bethgons, tank cars, dome passenger cars. Let's not wait another 8 years between reruns. I grabbed the wrong thing I wanted to quote from. Above is the right My point is Disney has 1000’s an 1000’s of people to make there sales Z scale can only wish for than fan base for sales. You say AZL hope we don’t have to wait another 8 years for rerun. Again I see maybe 30 of a 50 of a UP heritage maybe selling of a third run . Cause how many new people are jumping into z scale in next few years .At train shows out on west coast. Pretty well all your Z clubs are retire people that have hardly any new young people stepping in to take over. So my point is we’re are these new buyers coming from that’s going to buy up a maybe possible rerun . That’s the scary part. Because East coast doesn’t come even close to clubs you guys do on the West Coast. That’s probably one of many reasons why NS Heritage never sold out ( plus bad paint schemes by NS ). I’m also glad AZL does throw us a bone every once and awhile on east . I would like to have the Shark nose Baldwin. But I understand it’s not feasible for them to produce with only few rr having them on there roster
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Post by Commodore on Apr 7, 2024 18:48:06 GMT -5
To be fair, it's not quite accurate to say that nobody is (was) interested in the NS heritage offerings. Roughly half of them eventually sold out while others are still in Monster's inventory sitting there after 8 years. But they sold out OVER time. Contrast that to each and every UP heritage selling out within minutes of release. And here we are 8 years later watching AZL history repeating itself. I grabbed the wrong thing I wanted to quote from. Above is the right My point is Disney has 1000’s an 1000’s of people to make there sales Z scale can only wish for than fan base for sales. You say AZL hope we don’t have to wait another 8 years for rerun. Again I see maybe 30 of a 50 of a UP heritage maybe selling of a third run . Cause how many new people are jumping into z scale in next few years .At train shows out on west coast. Pretty well all your Z clubs are retire people that have hardly any new young people stepping in to take over. So my point is we’re are these new buyers coming from that’s going to buy up a maybe possible rerun . That’s the scary part. Because East coast doesn’t come even close to clubs you guys do on the West Coast. That’s probably one of many reasons why NS Heritage never sold out ( plus bad paint schemes by NS ). I’m also glad AZL does throw us a bone every once and awhile on east . I would like to have the Shark nose Baldwin. But I understand it’s not feasible for them to produce with only few rr having them on there roster I get that: This is why we don't get an F-40 PH.
Only one railroad ran them:AMTRAK....
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Post by Edward on Apr 8, 2024 0:49:44 GMT -5
I grabbed the wrong thing I wanted to quote from. Above is the right My point is Disney has 1000’s an 1000’s of people to make there sales Z scale can only wish for than fan base for sales. You say AZL hope we don’t have to wait another 8 years for rerun. Again I see maybe 30 of a 50 of a UP heritage maybe selling of a third run . Cause how many new people are jumping into z scale in next few years .At train shows out on west coast. Pretty well all your Z clubs are retire people that have hardly any new young people stepping in to take over. So my point is we’re are these new buyers coming from that’s going to buy up a maybe possible rerun . That’s the scary part. Because East coast doesn’t come even close to clubs you guys do on the West Coast. That’s probably one of many reasons why NS Heritage never sold out ( plus bad paint schemes by NS ). I’m also glad AZL does throw us a bone every once and awhile on east . I would like to have the Shark nose Baldwin. But I understand it’s not feasible for them to produce with only few rr having them on there roster I get that: This is why we don't get an F-40 PH.
Only one railroad ran them:AMTRAK....
Maybe this wasn’t your point, but just to clarify, 14 different railroads purchased and operated the EMD F40PH, with 510 in total being built. Almost all of those roads had multiple paint schemes and then you get into 2nd and 3rd owners after that… Then the fact that AZL has already produced multiple train sets that were pulled by F40s… like the long distance Superliner Amtrak sets, makes the F40 a strong candidate to be produced in the future. I am almost willing to bet it’s already in production.
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Post by Hans Riddervold (AZL) on Apr 8, 2024 8:54:45 GMT -5
We have had the F40PH on the radar a long time. But it has been available from Freudenreich in a limited quantity so we chose not to manufacture it.
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Post by Kez on Apr 8, 2024 10:11:30 GMT -5
Hans,
It's time to reconsider. FR has stopped producing American prototypes.
AZL should produce F40PH locos in Z.
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Post by smr on Apr 8, 2024 10:36:28 GMT -5
Harald (FR) has stopped indeed his American business. He sold his left-over F40PH shells 3-4 years ago to Sascha. We used them to paint some special locos, e.g.: Thus, would be perfect if AZL could take up the project. And, Hans please also produce the ski train!! Thank you very much!! Best, Sven
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Post by arsenix2001 on Apr 12, 2024 19:19:21 GMT -5
Received my heritage unit and have to say she looks stunning! Attachments:
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Post by Eric on Apr 12, 2024 19:32:30 GMT -5
AMERICAN Z LINE April 2024 New Releases Part 1 SD70ACE – Union Pacific – D&RGW Heritage! *saving up cash for when a scalper pops one up on Epay.... Here's your scalper:\
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Post by Commodore on Apr 12, 2024 22:14:56 GMT -5
AMERICAN Z LINE April 2024 New Releases Part 1 SD70ACE – Union Pacific – D&RGW Heritage! *saving up cash for when a scalper pops one up on Epay.... Here's your scalper:\
Notice it is being offered from the nations capital...
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