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Post by zdave on Mar 18, 2024 21:27:58 GMT -5
3 green machines on the way, life is good! If AZL does the White face, I'll grab them too.It's getting hard to split my time between HO and Z. People will really argue about anything. I beg to differ with you sir! Ha!
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Post by Scott on Mar 19, 2024 13:40:10 GMT -5
A year from now we’ll be seeing the SD50s or SD60s.
The assumption is that the current run of locomotives must be exhausted first.
Effective immediately, 54-cents per day per locomotive.
The name of my piggy bank is Aisyelle.
Scott
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Post by dave on Mar 19, 2024 20:22:39 GMT -5
These short production runs are just disgusting and the reason I left Z-scale. They are intentionally driving up secondary market prices for many of these items and not giving the normal train person a chance to even acquire one. AZL knows they could sell 2-5 times as many of these locos like the 25th Anniversary BNSF but choose to make so few. You would think AZL would be smart enough to make twice as many KNOWING they would still sell out. If a modeler isn't on a first name basis with AZL and their extremely limited dealer network, there is no prayer of getting these extremely limited run models. Disgusting.
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Post by Tiest van Gool on Mar 19, 2024 21:11:08 GMT -5
These short production runs are just disgusting and the reason I left Z-scale. They are intentionally driving up secondary market prices for many of these items and not giving the normal train person a chance to even acquire one. AZL knows they could sell 2-5 times as many of these locos like the 25th Anniversary BNSF but choose to make so few. You would think AZL would be smart enough to make twice as many KNOWING they would still sell out. If a modeler isn't on a first name basis with AZL and their extremely limited dealer network, there is no prayer of getting these extremely limited run models. Disgusting. Dave, Everyone has the right to his opinion but I think you do need to put AZL in a different light as well... There is a social behavior called "the scarcity principle'. The thought that people want a loco they cannot have drives them to desire the object even more. In other words, if something is not scarce, then it is not desired or valued that much. Examples where you see this often are watches, hi tech products etc. it's the Fear Of Missing Out. From AZLs perspective creating some scarcity makes complete sense as it does create demand for their higher quality products against a higher price point. Simple matter of demand and supply.. Personally I think AZL's heritage trains are the perfect opportunity for them to create some scarcity, draw our attention and still allow most to purchase new products. Give these guys credit!! My two cents! -Tiest
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Post by arsenix2001 on Mar 19, 2024 21:35:34 GMT -5
I understand both points here. Tiest makes extremely valid points. I do think that these locomotives create a buzz. I have rekindled my interest somewhat due to this. I also understand slowly releasing units as well. For one, my wallet can take the gradual abuse easier. I do understand Daves frustration though. It is hard to find many items in Z and with the extreme scarcity of certain items, they are sure not to be found easily. There are ways to get what you would like if you are willing to put in the effort. I have alarms set to remind me every first of the month and mid month to keep an eye out on here for a first announcement. And even with the few select dealers, if you reach out to the right ones, they can be more than helpful trying to get you what you need. N scale still looks appealing every once and a while... 😜
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Post by tikigrotto on Mar 19, 2024 21:43:18 GMT -5
These short production runs are just disgusting and the reason I left Z-scale. They are intentionally driving up secondary market prices for many of these items and not giving the normal train person a chance to even acquire one. AZL knows they could sell 2-5 times as many of these locos like the 25th Anniversary BNSF but choose to make so few. You would think AZL would be smart enough to make twice as many KNOWING they would still sell out. If a modeler isn't on a first name basis with AZL and their extremely limited dealer network, there is no prayer of getting these extremely limited run models. Disgusting. Umm what? I’m not on a first name basis with any dealer. I just don’t “snooze and lose”. I know when releases are (with minimal brain power you can figure it out too), and when the models become available I buy them. Snoozing and losing is no different than any other purchase- think video games, concert tickets and very commonly other scales of model trains. AZL is releasing at least 12(?) “special units”, at 50 per model that’s 600 opportunities to buy a locomotive. If you don’t keep up that’s not their fault. The Z scale community is small and AZL is really the only supporting manufacturer in my opinion. I’m getting real tired of the negativity towards them. I hope they know how many of us are thrilled to have them support the hobby.
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Post by louiez on Mar 19, 2024 23:28:24 GMT -5
These short production runs are just disgusting and the reason I left Z-scale. They are intentionally driving up secondary market prices for many of these items and not giving the normal train person a chance to even acquire one. AZL knows they could sell 2-5 times as many of these locos like the 25th Anniversary BNSF but choose to make so few. You would think AZL would be smart enough to make twice as many KNOWING they would still sell out. If a modeler isn't on a first name basis with AZL and their extremely limited dealer network, there is no prayer of getting these extremely limited run models. Disgusting. Well, since you no longer model z-scale then what's your angst? It doesn't affect you in the least -- am I wrong? I've missed out on limited runs in the past and never felt the urge badmouth AZL or presume to know their business better than they do -- to each their own, I guess.
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Post by tikigrotto on Mar 20, 2024 1:00:38 GMT -5
These short production runs are just disgusting and the reason I left Z-scale. They are intentionally driving up secondary market prices for many of these items and not giving the normal train person a chance to even acquire one. AZL knows they could sell 2-5 times as many of these locos like the 25th Anniversary BNSF but choose to make so few. You would think AZL would be smart enough to make twice as many KNOWING they would still sell out. If a modeler isn't on a first name basis with AZL and their extremely limited dealer network, there is no prayer of getting these extremely limited run models. Disgusting. Well, since you no longer model z-scale then what's your angst? It doesn't affect you in the least -- am I wrong? I've missed out on limited runs in the past and never felt the urge badmouth AZL or presume to know their business better than they do -- to each their own, I guess. I buy an average of 3-4 AZL locomotives a month. If I were to guess, I’d say I’ve spent over $25k on AZL locos. Funny enough, I’m not on any first name basis with AZL or their dealers, and I don’t get special pre-release info. I’m not rich or well off, I just save my money and check in on the regular dates. Except for a computer glitch, I’ve never missed out on a release I wanted. I think he’s really just mad at himself, I’m getting “sore loser vibes”… something I see frequently from people that try to offload their responsibilities to others… “I didn’t pay attention or have the money so I missed out… and it’s ALL AZL’s fault!”
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Post by zdave on Mar 20, 2024 10:03:07 GMT -5
I’m just glad we have someone like AZL who can produce beautiful Z scale that usually run as great as they look. I wouldn’t be in Z scale at all, if it wasn’t for the diligent efforts of the fine folks of AZL.
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Post by BAZman on Mar 20, 2024 10:49:11 GMT -5
There are Pre-Orders, just so ya know. Most Dealers keep up with proposed release announcement. Then take your preorder. It doesn’t have to be the biggest sight or a site you have never used.
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Post by Scott on Mar 20, 2024 11:07:14 GMT -5
I’m just glad we have someone like AZL who can produce beautiful Z scale that usually run as great as they look. I wouldn’t be in Z scale at all, if it wasn’t for the diligent efforts of the fine folks of AZL. I second that. If it wun’t for AZL, model railroading would remain a thing for which I missed out on and sadly so. (Ha! While much of the rest of the world begins a sentence with so, I just ended a sentence with so. I did it again!) Can’t really blame AZL for seducing me and drawing me in to another world with a Z scale blue dip B&O jeep. On the other hand … I do like to complain. But that sounds like a personal problem. I am captious and a perfectionist by nature. But that sounds like a personal problem. Scott
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Post by sjl on Mar 20, 2024 11:39:23 GMT -5
...and the reason I left Z-scale. So you're not in Z but commenting here? I think that's important for everyone to keep in mind. Too much tension lately. Back to the trains.
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Post by ugeesta on Mar 20, 2024 11:54:15 GMT -5
If it wasn’t for AZL, I’d still be buying Marklins. Glad I made the switch.
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Post by ednadolski on Mar 20, 2024 13:09:09 GMT -5
These short production runs are just disgusting and the reason I left Z-scale. They are intentionally driving up secondary market prices for many of these items and not giving the normal train person a chance to even acquire one. AZL knows they could sell 2-5 times as many of these locos like the 25th Anniversary BNSF but choose to make so few. You would think AZL would be smart enough to make twice as many KNOWING they would still sell out. If a modeler isn't on a first name basis with AZL and their extremely limited dealer network, there is no prayer of getting these extremely limited run models. Disgusting.
I don't see why this sort of post should be taken seriously by AZL or anyone else. It is just a waste of everyone's time.
Ed
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Post by zdave on Mar 20, 2024 13:40:11 GMT -5
If it wasn’t for AZL, I’d still be buying Marklins. Glad I made the switch. Heh, heh, heh… I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t be buying Marklins for long. Thank goodness there’s AZL!
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