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Post by calzeph4 on Sept 26, 2021 1:55:26 GMT -5
Z scale has long needed an off-set coupola caboose which were the mainstay of freight consists in the western US since the early 1900's
I hope AZL has some on the drawing board for release in the 'near future'.
Just a quicky poll to gauge interest among Z scalers
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Post by calzeph4 on Sept 26, 2021 1:57:45 GMT -5
I will start the voting. YES TO ANY.
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Post by ptitrainrouge on Sept 26, 2021 13:30:12 GMT -5
done
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Post by cwrr on Sept 26, 2021 13:46:48 GMT -5
Yup, not in brass either, just molded to keep the costs down like on the Baywindow and Wide Vision style caboose's.
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Post by rray on Sept 28, 2021 10:43:05 GMT -5
You do realize that as far as generic goes, they have already been done. Prior to the late 1960's all cabooses were made by the railroads themselves.
Only the Wide Vision cabooses AZL offer can be considered generic western style.
Every other all steel caboose of western style is road specific. ATFS is the Marklin caboose, AZL did the SP style, UP style, Bay Window style, and Offset Cupola. Center Cupolas's tended to be Eastern roads.
For the most part, every caboose was custom made specific for a railroad, that wasn't made by that railroad, so it's going to be very difficult to select a prototype. Look what MTL did with the dilemma, they choose an Eastern US caboose style that resembled what most roads were running then, and just painted that model with western roadnames. I Know, I'm just one of those guys who are caboose sensitive.
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Post by cwrr on Sept 28, 2021 14:29:34 GMT -5
Just be like Atlas and they're N-scale caboose-pump out thousands with every road name there was!
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Post by Curn on Sept 28, 2021 15:56:33 GMT -5
If only Rob Ray still sold caboose kits. Nothing injected molded will look as good for an early road specific wood caboose. But it is about time Z scale had a good steel offset-copula caboose.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2021 16:18:54 GMT -5
New Haven > 1950, to match the RS3 and the PA (in freight service) to come !
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Post by smr on Sept 28, 2021 21:40:29 GMT -5
You do realize that as far as generic goes, they have already been done. Prior to the late 1960's all cabooses were made by the railroads themselves. Only the Wide Vision cabooses AZL offer can be considered generic western style. Every other all steel caboose of western style is road specific. ATFS is the Marklin caboose, AZL did the SP style, UP style, Bay Window style, and Offset Cupola. Center Cupolas's tended to be Eastern roads. For the most part, every caboose was custom made specific for a railroad, that wasn't made by that railroad, so it's going to be very difficult to select a prototype. Look what MTL did with the dilemma, they choose an Eastern US caboose style that resembled what most roads were running then, and just painted that model with western roadnames. I Know, I'm just one of those guys who are caboose sensitive. By AZL........in the year 200? Best, Sven
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Post by markm on Sept 28, 2021 23:12:01 GMT -5
I think Robert pretty much covered all the issues for producing a western caboose, but all is not lost. A couple of suggestions: Use a Märklin caboose. It's fairly typical of western units. Add a Zelatory conversion spine and a couple of MTL trucks and you have a presentable piece of rolling stock: www.zscalemonster.com/zelatory/zel-013.jpgI've done this conversion on a caboose and a couple of steam tenders and have been happy with the results. They also produced a brass rear platform that if you can find it, adds some good detail. Amimek also produced a DRGW kit that occasionally pops up on the resale market. He might also be convinced to reproduce the kit as a raw kit for the DIYers. Mark
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Post by cwrr on Sept 29, 2021 9:29:35 GMT -5
I've done the same, really easy to do. I just suck at painting. Luckily, Marklin has two different versions of Milwaukee Road cabooses I've done, although only one is prototypical. I've got a BN and NP one too.
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Post by BAZman on Sept 29, 2021 12:32:46 GMT -5
And you can see by the <20 Poll votes, that’s not going to sway or pay for Tooling such. That’s why they went brass.
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Post by dazed on Sept 30, 2021 13:22:25 GMT -5
It seems to me that generically speaking the current arsenal of Z-scale cabooses covers a lot of ground, in theory at least. (meaning...mostly...availability)
Here's what I see would solve some of the demand... 1. Marklin doing another run of their offset cupola cabooses with knuckle couplers. Maybe since they collaborate with AZL, then AZL could take this on somehow. This could give you a more widely available and less expensive version versus AZL's brass Ce-1. Primarily pointing toward the ATSF market but you could fudge quite a few "close" roads as well. 2. Micro-Trains expanding the roadnames of their "NE-5" style caboose. New Haven, for starters. (been trying to piece together decals for one of these for quite a while and it's not easy) I'm sure there are other schemes of interest. 3. Re-run of the Animek Rio Grande caboose kits. 4. Re-run of the AZL EV Cabooses. Among others, MKT would be a good road since there are now GP38-2's, pending SW1500's, the MTL SD40-2's, etc. 5. Re-runs of the AZL brass. Wouldn't expect that every other year, but every 5-10 years would seem reasonable. Guessing everything but the Ce-1's is approaching 10 years or more. Maybe start a list and when you hit the magic number?
I agree that the "Early wood/rebuilt wood-steel" cabooses are probably underrepresented for sure. I know Athearn did one in N/HO that seemed to be fairly popular so that might be something to emulate. One problem there might be companion rolling stock like era-matched boxcars and so forth for the wood cars. (and even locos, too)
But really, Robert summed it up best...cabooses are pretty road specific and if the above aren't appropriate and/or easily found, it sounds like a good candidate for Shapeways or another 3D-printed option of some sort. And yeah, I get it painting and decaling are a challenge. And with AZL, MTL, et al products having pretty nice decoration it really does make them attractive sources for good rolling stock.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 14:02:51 GMT -5
For myself I have : - One NYC from MTL (and a second one as "spare", because they are very difficult to find ; the first one from Marsilius 2017, the second from ZScale Monster). - One NYC-Märklin (FleaBay) converted with Zelatory and couplers. - One MTL re-painted as NH by Sascha Braun. - One NH by Gerard Huet (but he went ouf of business) And now the big question : since AZL produces NH locos, why no cabooses ?
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Post by sjl on Sept 30, 2021 17:19:42 GMT -5
And now the big question : since AZL produces NH locos, why no cabooses ? Well, they also produced two different kinds of Nofolk and Western cabooses... but I don't recall any NW locos. And several different D&H locos, but no cabooses, and so on. I think the caboose department is not on speaking terms with the loco department at global headquarters.
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