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Post by Commodore on Apr 4, 2018 15:28:35 GMT -5
Are there any prototype E7 A or B units still in existence,worldwide? Thanks
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Post by dave on Apr 4, 2018 17:23:06 GMT -5
I thought I had heard at some point that some older locos are in service in South America. Just a rumor but I seem to remember something about that.
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Post by Commodore on Apr 4, 2018 17:28:40 GMT -5
I thought I had heard at some point that some older locos are in service in South America. Just a rumor but I seem to remember something about that. Thanks Dave. 510 built and ONLY one left sounds fishy to me.
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Post by markm on Apr 4, 2018 21:44:39 GMT -5
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Post by domi on Apr 5, 2018 15:25:57 GMT -5
IT's unlikely any made it to South America, that's mostly meter gauge. Mark Not that much. You have broad gauge in Brazil (where US prototype locos are used, the very same as their US counterparts except track gauge), in Argentina and in Chile. That makes a few tens thousands kilometers... Dom
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Post by Commodore on Apr 5, 2018 19:33:19 GMT -5
Australia seems to have a GM 37. Which appears to be close??? How close?? Not very. Wait, wait we do have Z gauge here in the United States. AZL it's up to you. What do you say? Can we count on you? ...or not? Must we do without? A z-scale E7 would be just fine. Yes, a small E7 would fit the bill. How about it Rob and Hans? Can you do it?
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Post by markm on Apr 5, 2018 20:40:12 GMT -5
Actually AZL has already done it: www.americanzline.com/archive/emd-e7/One just needs to open one's wallet W-I-D-E in the resale market. I'd always be interest in E7Bs. SP ran the B units with their E9As long after most of the E7A were retired. Mark
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Post by Commodore on Apr 5, 2018 20:44:51 GMT -5
Yep I know. Brass hurts. BTW: NYC used a lot of E7b units.
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Post by markm on Apr 8, 2018 0:13:32 GMT -5
Depending on the paint schemes and roads of the upcoming LW passenger cars, E7 units will almost be a necessity to build prototypically correct trains. Of course having said that, the price of the brass units will probably double around the release date.
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Post by fulingyu on Apr 8, 2018 4:01:03 GMT -5
Depending on the paint schemes and roads of the upcoming LW passenger cars, E7 units will almost be a necessity to build prototypically correct trains. Of course having said that, the price of the brass units will probably double around the release date. This is why we need E7A-B units in injection molding. Leave the brass to the rich collectors and plastic for the rest of us to run our trains
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Post by Commodore on Apr 8, 2018 13:54:52 GMT -5
Depending on the paint schemes and roads of the upcoming LW passenger cars, E7 units will almost be a necessity to build prototypically correct trains. Of course having said that, the price of the brass units will probably double around the release date. This is why we need E7A-B units in injection molding. Leave the brass to the rich collectors and plastic for the rest of us to run our trains . Thanks for saying this! ...and out loud! I've thought it ...but it's not politically correct around here to mention lower price. Gosh knows, even in injection molding it's easy to spend a grand on a one-train trainset.
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Post by smr on Apr 8, 2018 16:18:10 GMT -5
How far do we get with the E8? The UP E8A-B units were injection moulded. We did try to custom paint some Milwaukee E9A-Bs ...... Best, Sven
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Post by Commodore on Apr 8, 2018 19:31:04 GMT -5
How far do we get with the E8? The UP E8A-B units were injection moulded. View AttachmentWe did try to custom paint some Milwaukee E9A-Bs ...... [be] View AttachmentBest, Sven I got Santa Fe E8 AB in the first batch. What I'm talking about is there were 510 E7 locomotives built. We need at least E7b's in Z scale. Lots of roads ( SP, NYC, Penn, Southern, etc) ran the E7b units and never bought E8 or E9b units. They ran these into the 1970's. How hard would it be to make a few E7b units? Sounds like good fill-in material for a manufacturer's slow time. You know I had to buy all the NYC E8A road numbers. They only ran E7b units with these. Not AA. I didn't buy any Southern cab units because there were no b units produced to go with then... Notice the Union Pacific and Santa Fe sets with b units sold out first. The b unit is the reason. UP always ran ABB. We need more b units. I even bought both the Milwaukee sets because of the b units. Who cares about Milwaukee?? ...But it had a B units. This is now the only way to get an ABB set for UP (ignore that one is Milwaukee). Can't believe you custom painted Milwaukee 😮
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Post by fulingyu on Apr 8, 2018 22:46:12 GMT -5
How far do we get with the E8? The UP E8A-B units were injection moulded. We did try to custom paint some Milwaukee E9A-Bs ...... [be] Best, Sven I got Santa Fe E8 AB in the first batch. What I'm talking about is there were 510 E7 locomotives built. We need at least E7b's in Z scale. Lots of roads ( SP, NYC, Penn, Southern, etc) ran the E7b units and never bought E8 or E9b units. They ran these into the 1970's. How hard would it be to make a few E7b units? Sounds like good fill-in material for a manufacturer's slow time. You know I had to buy all the NYC E8A road numbers. They only ran E7b units with these. Not AA. I didn't buy any Southern cab units because there were no b units produced to go with then... Notice the Union Pacific and Santa Fe sets with b units sold out first. The b unit is the reason. UP always ran ABB. We need more b units. I even bought both the Milwaukee sets because of the b units. Who cares about Milwaukee?? ...But it had a B units. This is now the only way to get an ABB set for UP (ignore that one is Milwaukee). Can't believe you custom painted Milwaukee 😮 Not trying to jack this thread too far, but I have to agree about the B units. AZl does many great things in the products they make for us to purchase, but sometimes their marketing strategy leaves me to scratch my head in wonder. The E8-9's are great, but the scarcity of B units is puzzling. Only SF, UP, and Milwaukee had B units available. That means NO B units for all the other liveries. I don't believe that all of those other railroads simply AA double headed their locomotives for their trains. Even if you want to double head your models, you'll have to swap out the front truck on one of the A units to make it work. This means if you want a B unit, you HAVE to purchase a SF, UP, or Milwaukee AB set, and repaint the B unit for your particular railroad. Then what do you do with the A unit since it's not your railroad? Repaint that too? Trade it to someone who models that railroad? What if they want the B unit to go along with the A unit? As Rory pointed out, many liveries ran ABB consists. But even if you did want to prototypical model UP ABB or others, you would have to purchase TWO AB sets and be stuck with an oddball extra A unit. Plus this would be expensive. And they also did this on the F3's. They were only sold in AB sets. Again, what do you do with this extra A unit? Try to sell it on eBay? Try to make a very short consist? Maybe I don't know everything about marketing, but it seems they would sell more if they sold separate B units for prototypical consists. Heck, they could even make undecorated B units and let people make their own consists. And the B unit wouldn't necessarily have to be powered to cut costs. Sure, they wouldn't sell as many A units, but for those who want the ABB, they'd sell a ton of B units to make up for it. Here's another thought, if AZL made more B units, they wouldn't have to include the extra truck with the A units since people would likely buy more B units. That would be a cost savings for AZL. And for those who DO want to double head, they could sell that extra truck as a separate piece. So yeah, I agree that we need lots of B units to prototypical model many railroads. Oh, one more thing, there is another way to make a UP ABB set, but it's not a very good one. Every so often, the Marklin UP B unit shows up on eBay. Right road name but you'll have to switch out the Marklin couplers to make it work with your AZL AB set.
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Post by Commodore on Apr 9, 2018 0:15:06 GMT -5
Thanks for that. We completely agree! ....You say things much better than I can say them. Anyway, Thanks.
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