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Post by bryan on Dec 23, 2017 23:49:47 GMT -5
Hello everyone... I am new to Z Scale and this forum. I have read through some threads for beginners. Not wanting to just invest a large amount of money and be disappointed and discouraged by the results, I have been doing a large amount of research. Initially I would like to have a small layout with the intention of experimenting in scratch-building structures, laying track, and creating terrain. Having had a an HO scale train back when I was young I am accustomed to just having a controller and two wires connected to the tracks, I have reservations about Z scale after reading about the voltage requirements and controllers. What are the thoughts about buying all the pieces separately such as the equipment, track, and controller? What about just buying a "Starter Set" that contains a locomotive, cars, track, and a controller to start with?
Any thoughts for someone new to the hobby.
Thanks, Bryan
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Post by Commodore on Dec 24, 2017 1:07:21 GMT -5
Welcome Bryan! I came from HO, as well. ...I like the starter set idea.
The new stuff is pretty much all 12 volts now, so you can't go too far astray. I think having everything you need to run trains right away is the best idea.
Good luck in your decision.
Merry Christmas!
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Post by fulingyu on Dec 24, 2017 1:33:59 GMT -5
Get a starter set.
From what you've said, that is the best way to try and see if you like it without being disappointed. You won't have to be concerned about voltage as everything will work together with track, wires, controller, and engine right out of the box - just like your old HO set up. Just set it up and play with it.
Play with it until you start getting antsy and wanting more. That's when you'll know that you like it and are ready to expand. Add more rolling stock. Buy a track extension set with switches for a siding. That will mean a little more complex operations than just running your train in a circle. You can always reuse your original track as you expand "your little empire". That's another good plus for getting a starter set.
As you grow more, start looking at other people's layouts and thinking how you could add to your layout. Think about what you'd like to create in your little world. That'll give you the direction for what terrain you'd like to model, what structures you'd like to build, where will you lay your track to best fit your plan, what kind of story you'd like to tell with your trains. And don't forget to enjoy them.
Z scale can be harder to work in than other scales because of the smaller size and sometimes higher costs. Also, there is not as much variety as some of the larger scales. But things have improved over the years. We have a tremendous amount of product available now days and it is still growing. You can fit a lot more in a smaller space with Z scale than other scales. And you can still be as detailed as you want. Many of the people on this forum will amaze you with their creativity to innovate in such small trains.
So get a starter set. AZL sells some different ones. Rokuhan has some. Marklin, MTL.
Oh, and welcome to Z scale and this forum
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Post by markm on Dec 24, 2017 8:53:25 GMT -5
Bryan, Welcome to Z and welcome to the forum.
I have to agree a starter set would be an easy, frustration-free way to get started. If you are interested in European prototypes you can go with Märklin. They tend to be expensive and they are a bit of a closed system so you have to stay with them. Micro Trains (MTL) produces some American prototype Z sets, but without the throttle. ZTrack has assembled some RTR sets for both MTL and AZL.
Due to size, scratch building can be a challenge, although if you look at these pages and the Z scale pages on Trainboard and Yahoo, you'll find many people up to the challenge. I'd suggest looking to a digital inspection microscope (10x-40x) to work under. There are a number of people who "scratch" build using 3D printing and Micron Art has a wide range of brass scratch supplies.
Hope this helps,
Mark
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Post by zoinks007 on Dec 24, 2017 9:53:17 GMT -5
Probably like a lot of us, I also came from HO. I still have a large collection of un-built Fine Scale structures I hope to get to someday. I've also been picking up HO brass locomotives when I find a good deal in fine shape. But I turned to Z for the challenge, and I find the size intriguing. You can pack a lot into a small space. A 4'x8' HO layout translates to about 2'X3' in Z. So having made the trek you're talking about, I'd also recommend a starter set. I'd go with one of the AZL starters since (sorry MTL) I find the AZL locomotives superior. You can get a nice, inexpensive DC power pack and some Marklin track and give it a go for a few hundred dollars. Not exactly free, but also not a huge investment to dip a toe and see how it feels. Being an ardent scratch builder, I lay my own Z track, including turnouts. I do recommend Fast Track fixtures, most especially for Z turnouts (http://www.handlaidtrack.com/). The selection in Z is limited, but probably fills 99% of the needs. Just watching the online videos is fun, if you're into trackwork. As for buildings, as Mark mentioned there are some places that provide raw materials. For me, the exciting aspect is 3D printing. There is a ton of stuff on Shapeways (https://www.shapeways.com/marketplace?type=product&q=z+scale), so you see what can be done. I build a lot of structures in brass (addicted to bridges), and that's getting harder to do with the loss of some of the brass shape providers. So 3D printing is an exciting alternative since I can build in detail I couldn't do in brass (at least without etching). Once you get the hang of it, then introduce DCC. Wow...the amazing things that come along for that ride. Lighting, sound, accessories... AZL locomotives are a snap to upgrade to DCC. You'd need a different controller, and they're quite pricy, but the capabilities are astounding. Sound is a harder thing to manage given the small size of the shells, but you'll find some postings here where folks have successfully done it. To me, even though Z has been around for decades, I still feel it's the "wild west" where a hardy pioneering spirit can yield huge dividends. Yes, there isn't as much available, but that only means you can dig in and do it yourself. That's my definition of modeling anyway. Don't buy it (all), build it. That's the fun of it. I'm liking the microscope idea, tho.
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Post by ztrack on Dec 24, 2017 10:21:55 GMT -5
Bryan, Welcome to the wonderful world of Z scale! Okay yes I am the distributor and seller of all things Z. But here is my two cents. I would definitely start with an AZL starter set over the MTL starters sets for getting started in Z. We have put together a number of starter sets that include a mix of AZL locos, rolling stock and Rokuhan track. I am a big fan of Rokuhan. It is a complete plug and play system that is very easy to assemble and operate. The turnouts are very reliable and they have the most extensive variety of track and accessory options. Here is a link to the sets we arranged for this year: www.azldirect.com/starter-packagesIf you do want to look at the MTL and Marklin starter sets, I have these available on our Ztrack Resale website. We actually have all our MTL and Marklin starters sets on sale. Here is the link: www.ztrackresale.comAs you are coming from HO, don't use your controller! Use only Z rated controllers. Even if you keep the voltage low, the amperage of HO controllers can kill Z locos! That is another reason I recommend getting a starter set to begin with. These will give you everything you need to start your Z journey. Rob
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Post by bryan on Dec 24, 2017 17:41:30 GMT -5
Thank you all for the help.... I do have a question about track. There have been several mentions about Rokuhan as being a better track than Marklin and MTL. Is this because of consistency and quality of the track? What about connectivity? Are different manufacturers track systems interchangeable?
Thank you all again
Bryan
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Post by markm on Dec 24, 2017 18:41:47 GMT -5
Bryan, I wouldn't call the track from different manufacturers interchangeable, but with a bit of work you can connect everything to anything else. Since Rokuhan and MTL sectional track have a plastic roadbed, you would need to add a 0.1" roadbed under the Märklin and various flex tracks. You also need a collection of everyone's rail joiners. I've actually been mixing track and the only really issue is that there is no way to join the MTL and Rokuhan roadbeds.
Rokuhan has a very reliable turnout and the built-in switch machine is under the roadbed, not along side. They have the widest selection of sectional types, both wooden and concrete tie.
Both Märklin and Rokuhan use a European/Asian tie size and spacing, which is larger than the U.S. standard MTL and Atlas use.
Mark
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Post by neverland on Dec 24, 2017 19:02:31 GMT -5
Welcome to the land of Z. On a standard sheet of 2' X 4' plywood you can create an entire county! Like many, I began with a starter set, in my case a Marklin steam engine. It wasn't long before I was ready to make the plunge. After watching umpteen videos & reading stacks of magazines, I started modeling & creating vignettes. There's a world of wonderful Z structures & figures that rival its larger cousins. Fiddly at times but infinitely satisfying. Great group on this forum willing to help newbies & veterans alike. Welcome!
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Post by strummer on Dec 24, 2017 23:10:36 GMT -5
FWIW. I would agree with most of what's already been said except: 1. For me anyway, I don't find working on the small size of Z all that daunting; sure, it is small, but I find I use an "Optivisor" regardless of what scale model I happen to be working on, so the tiny screws in Z only really seem tiny when I try to look at them without the magnifier! 2. Track: don't forget about the Atlas brand. Hopefully sometime this year we will have turnouts available to go along with their beautiful flex track. I know Mark (the other one) mentioned it (Atlas) in his post, but again, having those turnouts may prove to be a "game changer". Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night... Mark (the one) in Oregon
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