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Post by DAZed on Apr 17, 2023 17:34:57 GMT -5
I didn’t mean to offend anybody. The Truman era pickup truck—It’s a white metal three-piece kit by Showcase Miniatures. I believe it’s available on Zscalemonster. This truck is not true Z scale. Have a 3D print of a 200:1 box Texaco station. The vehicle from Showcase Miniatures looks great (white metal contrasted with polished frosted ultra detail material) with that gas station mainly because the two are in scale with each other. As such, together they make a fine display. Not offended at all, just asking the question. I'd never heard this generalization so just wondered if it was some known thing that I'd not heard about. If based off a single model, I think it's a little irresponsible to state all their products are 1:200. (just as it would be if I stated EVERYTHING was exactly 1:220 based on the few models I have) If you're speaking about multiple models across their product line, then (as I asked previously) please elaborate. Painting Showcase Miniatures with a broad brush like that could be detrimental to them. So...while I'm not offended, Showcase Miniatures might be. |
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Post by Scott on Apr 18, 2023 8:29:47 GMT -5
Doug,
Noted. In all fairness, however, when one vehicle, and a most popular vehicle, is advertised as “Z scale,” and turns out not to be in Z scale, it does make one wonder. Where there’s smoke there’s fire, the doesn’t fall too far from the tree—True, Doug, my thinking may have been wee bit fallacious. Ever notice how one incorrectness or one wrongdoing gives cause for an interrogator or a cop to treat the subject like a common criminal? Something similar here.
On the Showcase Miniatures website, 32 “Z Scale Vehicle Kits” are shown including the five-window truck classic 1950s era (Truman era) truck aforementioned. Vehicles adjacent to and neighboring the aforementioned five-window truck such as the GMC trucks, the Grumman mail truck, 16-foot van truck, pup trailer, and so forth—Are they all 220:1 scale?
“Detrimental to them”? Au contraire, Doug, detriment applies, if applied at all, to the Z scale enthusiast enamored by what he or she assumed was a product 220:1 because the product was advertised as such.
Showcase Miniatures—All appear beautifully crafted.
I am one model railroader who is a stickler for scale.
Scott
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Post by rvn2001 on Apr 18, 2023 9:37:39 GMT -5
Hi Scott,
Do you have one of the Showcase Miniatures 5-window truck models? Have you measured one?
I just measured the one I built. It exactly matches a 1954-55 Chevrolet model 3600. Chevrolet had 3 models of the 5-window pick-up. Each model had a different wheelbase. The 3600 was the mid-sized version.
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Post by DAZed on Apr 18, 2023 13:41:59 GMT -5
Doug, Noted. In all fairness, however, when one vehicle, and a most popular vehicle, is advertised as “Z scale,” and turns out not to be in Z scale, it does make one wonder. Where there’s smoke there’s fire, the doesn’t fall too far from the tree—True, Doug, my thinking may have been wee bit fallacious. Ever notice how one incorrectness or one wrongdoing gives cause for an interrogator or a cop to treat the subject like a common criminal? Something similar here. On the Showcase Miniatures website, 32 “Z Scale Vehicle Kits” are shown including the five-window truck classic 1950s era (Truman era) truck aforementioned. Vehicles adjacent to and neighboring the aforementioned five-window truck such as the GMC trucks, the Grumman mail truck, 16-foot van truck, pup trailer, and so forth—Are they all 220:1 scale? “Detrimental to them”? Au contraire, Doug, detriment applies, if applied at all, to the Z scale enthusiast enamored by what he or she assumed was a product 220:1 because the product was advertised as such. Showcase Miniatures—All appear beautifully crafted. I am one model railroader who is a stickler for scale. Scott Give me a break. No one is interrogating you or treating you like a common criminal. Jeez. If you can't handle being "called out", then try being a little more representative of the truth. You clearly feel harmed by ONE model (out of 32) that didn't meet your expectations, but that's no reason to blast the company without impunity. But oh wait, you're defending all the Z-scale enthusiasts here....riiiight. Pretty sure most of them would rather have Showcase Miniatures continue to produce items for Z-scale. |
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Post by Scott on Apr 18, 2023 13:55:22 GMT -5
Thom, Truth is I am moving and every thing is boxed up. I really want to attach some good photos here. Preiser figures, Madaboutcars, and AZL locomotives make a kind of tripod to realize and appreciate scale. So that we may understand, this is what we’re talking about: “1948-52 Ford Pickup,”* Madaboutcars, Shapeways.com. Image (and photo attached): www.shapeways.com/product/UPYSJKQ6F/1-220-1948-52-ford-pickup?optionId=64287280&li=shops“Z 5 Window Truck Classic 1950s Era,” Showcaseminiatures.net. Image (and photo attached): www.showcaseminiatures.net/z_scale/z_scale_vehicles/4002.htmlSide-by-side, one ’50s pickup is noticeably larger than the other ’50s pickup. Wheelbase comparison, then, would be like lining up a water bug with a cockroach. Showcase miniature version belongs with the 200:1 FUD 3D-printed Texaco gas station. Madaboutcars versions belongs with other 220:1 FUD 3D printed vehicles; Preiser cows, travelers, couples, horses, and dog; and AZL GP30, GP38-2s, F7s, E7s; etc. True, also, could go by the numbers. I am with the Vision Aid Magnifying Glasses with LED Light and interchangeable lenses, the Donegan Optical Optivisor with interchangeable lenses, Hobby Tools Light Up Magnifying Headband; pricey digital calipers, The Beadsmith, NZL Products Z scale rule, General Tools 300-ME, etc. Used those tools to check long ago. Didn’t really need to, though. Have prototype photos of ’50s pickup next to ’50s Texaco. The 200:1 Texaco dwarfs the 220:1 pickup. *Every Z scaler should buy at least four. They’re instantly recognizable, show scale with passing locomotives, and fit any era. They are an American icon. I actually sat in one in 2021. Let us look forward to COLA, combine cars, six-wheel truck jeeps, E8/E9 second run, and Han’s and Rob’s new locomotives on the horizon announcements. Scott Attachments:
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Post by Scott on Apr 18, 2023 15:10:34 GMT -5
Doug,
Woah! Back up. I wasn’t suggesting I am being interrogated or I am being treated like a common criminal. You asked that I “elaborate.” And I obliged. And that is all I did. Right back at ya—Jeese.
When a company advertises its product as Z scale and it’s not, credibility is damaged. That is all that was being suggested with smoke, apples, and cops. Not calling the company criminal. Again, I mean to offend no one.
That one of 32 products works well with a scenic product pleases me.
“‘Called out’”? I didn’t feel I was being challenged or, as you put it, “being ‘called out.’” And why the quotation marks? You said you were “just asking the question.”
How do I feel “harmed” when I really like pairing together two models that are in scale with each other?
How am I “defending all the Z-scale enthusiasts” when I have stated that I am one model railroader who is a stickler for scale?
“Riiiight” Back up. Your sarcasm is offensive. And you have no call to state to me, “If you can’t handle … .”
Doug, don’t you think “blast[ing] the company without impunity” is a gross exaggeration? Again, I mean to offend no one.
Okay. All Z scalers versus Scott for his critique of one product by Showcase Miniatures for which Scott paid and with which Scott is content.
Appreciated Doug,
Scott
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Post by rvn2001 on Apr 18, 2023 15:25:51 GMT -5
Scott,
I have looked up data comparing the 2 vehicles you mentioned. The Ford pick-up you referenced compares to the Chevrolet 3100 series of truck. The pick-up truck by Showcase Miniatures measures out correctly for the Chevrolet 3600 series of truck. Comparing the smaller Ford pick-up to the larger Chevrolet pick-up is like comparing apples to coconuts. The only way to determine scale accuracy is to measure the model and compare those measurements to the specifications of the real thing. That is what I did.
I agree with you about Madaboutcars models. I have a decent collection of those too and I'm impressed with the accuracy of his work. I have both the Showcase Miniatures truck and the Madaboutcars truck you referenced. I like them both.
It's unfair to say that the model is the wrong scale because it "looks wrong".
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Post by Scott on Apr 18, 2023 16:11:34 GMT -5
Thom,
Appreciated.
Numbers don’t lie. We agree.
Photographs don’t lie. We have yet to agree.
I say water bug and cockroach. You say apples and coconuts. We agree to to disagree.
Appreciatively,
Scott
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