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Post by markm on Oct 7, 2022 9:36:25 GMT -5
Dear Mark, don't waste Your time, I will be satisfied with my present rolling stock (maybe just CN cars to be added, but no locos) I really didn’t expect to change you mind and posted only as information for others following this thread Since I’m a west coast I’ve been finding researching east coast questions interesting to research and will probably do a bit more research the next time I’m in The archives in Sacramento. I’ve learned over the years with various railroad ownership changes, lend-lease, etc. almost anything is possible, but like you I like proof.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2022 10:11:05 GMT -5
In fact I hoped I could use a F7A, but as far as I understood You said that if a CN loco ran to MA, it was rather a F3 ; unfortunately these are not sold without B unit and such a MU combination is TOO LONG for my freight track, so the B unit would be "waste" : stop occurs when the first axle in running direction (in this case, backwards) reaches a detecting section, and I am afraid that the complete A+B is too long and the front of the A engine would be too near from the turnout ; the freight track was not foreseen for MU's, I think the longest loco possible will be a PA1 ; the gravel train can be pulled by the A+B F3 combination, or even two GP7's in MU (I own 2 of them), but I have only hoppers from US companies, no CN, and I saw that 33' versions don't (more ? ) even exist by FT. Sometimes there are reasons to reject some possibilities which are not obvious at the beginning.
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Post by markm on Oct 10, 2022 9:07:24 GMT -5
The operation of your layout sounds very interesting and I hope you can post a video some day. But for the moment, let’s talk about some possibilities from the prototype world.
While the records show CN never assigned an F7A to its U.S. operations, they could have loaned F7As which would not show in the ownership records. This was common with SP here in the west and there was considerable documentation that the CN subsidiaries swapped power all the time. Could they loan units from CN? Maybe. There is data that CN had other locomotive models (mostly GPs) running in the U.S. in your era that weren’t transferred.
F3s and F7s were very similar, with the major spotting differences being the back door and of course road number. CN numbered the F units in the 9000 series with the F3 numbered up into the teens continuing with the F7s. Also at least one F3 was renumbered into the F7 range. Could this F7 be considered close enough?
If you purchased an F3 set, would anyone be interested in buying the B unit? I’ve noticed that in the 60s a number of CN passenger trains ran ABB consists particularly the Alloette.
Just some ideas until something better comes along. Looking at the CV and GTW, the most likely power for a gravel train would be a GP9. That is probably a long way coming, unless of in course at this time of year AZL has found an incantation to raise it from the dead.
Mark
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2022 9:37:19 GMT -5
Thanks, but ... there is no GP from CN ! And about the gravel train : I can make a complete train of 6 hoppers either brown (NYC and CV) or black (NH and B&M), it looks better if they are all the same colour. Presently the train is pulled by a F3 A+B, but I can use a MU of 2 GP7's too (I have them in my roster). Or a PA1 (I have NYC and NH), but I would rather use them for the "standard" freight train ...
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Post by cjhayes2424 on Oct 12, 2022 12:13:49 GMT -5
“Since I didn't get any satisfying answer to my question concerning the CN locos in MA at the end of the 60's”…
Just want to throw this out there, have you considered posting this question to the “Trainboard”? They have a sub-topic “The Ready Track” and RR specific forum in this case CN. If you haven’t posted there yet, give it a try( not advertising for Trainboard, just trying get all the resources exhausted). You might even try “Trainboard/The Fallen Flags” group, even though it doesn’t really apply, someone will probably read your post and answer or point you in the right direction. Hope this helps
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2022 22:20:21 GMT -5
Thanks, but finally I will stay with my NYC and NH only ... All the way the layout is only intended for 3 simultaneous trains, the other rolling stock stays in the "drawers" .
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Post by markm on Oct 13, 2022 12:01:02 GMT -5
While it's nice to have a little extra rolling stock to switch out on a layout for variety and days when equipment is in the shop, it's too easy to go overboard. More importantly what will be coming out in the future? Maybe save that drawer space for something you really like.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 14:34:25 GMT -5
Hoping for other rolling stock of NYC and NH ; I have already bought the NYC-GP30 as NOS on eBay and the PA-1's via Case Hobbies Germany, maybe that in the future a NYC-Sharknose could come ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 22:34:58 GMT -5
Another idea would perhaps be to move the date of the layout from 1965 to 1971, this needs only a new banner at the vintage cars exhibition ; since it is the "transition" year, I could perhaps still use my Budds in the "old" NH and NYC colours, and in the new Amtrak livery ?
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Post by markm on Oct 14, 2022 8:29:00 GMT -5
Another idea would perhaps be to move the date of the layout from 1965 to 1971, this needs only a new banner at the vintage cars exhibition ; since it is the "transition" year, I could perhaps still use my Budds in the "old" NH and NYC colours, and in the new Amtrak livery ? Interestingly idea but from what I see that’s a little too late. NYC and NH were merged into the PRR to become Penn Central in 1968 which in turn filed for bankruptcy in 1970.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2022 23:25:10 GMT -5
Thanks, in fact it would have been a mistake. So finally only NH and NYC in 1965 ...
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