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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2022 8:50:30 GMT -5
I saw on this map that CN was running through Massachusetts already in 1952. So I wonder if it would be OK to see a CN freight train with RS-3 or F7 and coresponding caboose on my 1965 layout ?
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Post by markm on Jul 22, 2022 20:18:02 GMT -5
CN rolling stock would be a good addition. As for the locomotives I'm not sure. CN owned trackage in the northeast going back to the 1900s, as I understand it, it was acquisitions run as subsidiaries like the Central Vermont.
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Post by eds on Jul 22, 2022 21:28:39 GMT -5
It was Central Vermont that ran all the way South to New London, CT from Canada. Currently CV is New England Central and only comes South as far as Willimantic, CT where it interchanges with Providence and Worcester. They are both owned by Genesee and Wyoming now but still interchange in Willimantic CT right next to our Connecticut Eastern RR Museum tracks.
There are many CN cars interchanged and CN gondolas (up to a dozen) loaded with steel billets ( 8"x8"x 40ft bars) are seen weekly.
CT Eastern RR Museum has a CV S-4 that roamed up to Montreal and 2 CV cabeese. Plus lots of other roads engines, cars, etc.
But no CN engines that I know of down here. Taking away a tiny bit of the SW-1500 CN noodle would look close to the CV noodle logo.
Ed S. Connecticut
Volunteer at Ct Eastern RR Museum. and ATSF 1950's modeler.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2022 21:56:50 GMT -5
So in fact, as I understand, there were other companies performing the traffic on behalf of CN ? And so no CN engines in MA in the 60's ?
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Post by eds on Jul 23, 2022 17:10:56 GMT -5
There were a few fan trips that had CN power that ran to New London. One steam. A long time ago.
But CN power didn't run on CV trackage in Mass and CT. There may have been one
or two CN substitutes in early diesel days when CV needed extra power. RS-x.
13 CN gondolas of steel billets this morning on the interchange track in Willimantic,CT. Plenty of CN traffic still on the line. Also tons of grain hoppers and centerbeams.
Waiting for more New Haven power. The AZL McGinnis NH PAs are beautiful.
Ed S. Connecticut ATSF 1950s freak.
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Post by bnsantaray on Jul 23, 2022 19:15:20 GMT -5
So in fact, as I understand, there were other companies performing the traffic on behalf of CN ? And so no CN engines in MA in the 60's ? Late 1950 some CN F-3 and F-7 made it on the CV...Up to what location , sorry I dont know AS for RS3 CV , the 2 that I know where sent back to the CN and did work CN lines in Quebec but unknow if the whent back a few trips on the CV |
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Post by bnsantaray on Jul 23, 2022 19:26:37 GMT -5
CV rs3 1859, 1860 renumber 3900 and 3901 sent back to CN early 1958
I seen a photo of CN 9036 F7 listed at Leverett Mass 1957...
Cn 9030 F7 at Amherts feb 24 1956
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2022 22:25:46 GMT -5
So finally I will stay with my NYC and NH, since there is no CV loco. Thanks ...
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Post by eds on Jul 27, 2022 21:34:27 GMT -5
Here is an example of CN replacing CV power in 2008. Not an every day occurrence.
The track to the right (in the weeds) is our museum track.
Ed S. Connecticut
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2022 22:36:25 GMT -5
Thanks, but had they to run through MA ? And how was the situation in 1965 (the year of my layout) ?
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Post by eds on Jul 28, 2022 10:36:15 GMT -5
They would have come through Vermont down to Palmer, Mass and then South to Willimantic, Ct. Not a common power. Just when extra power was needed. Maybe the next GP-40 run may have CN.
But that would be too new for your layout.
I'll keep looking for older 1950's pix.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2022 14:18:13 GMT -5
Thanks ... There are already RS-3, F3(A-B) and F7(A). And one kind of caboose. This would be enough for me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2022 1:53:30 GMT -5
Late 1950 some CN F-3 and F-7 made it on the CV...Up to what location , sorry I dont know Late 1950's, early 1960's ... Finally I think it would be interesting (and not impossible and "un-prototypical" ) to have a CN train pulled by a F7A (Especially since I don't have this loco yet). Next Christmas is coming !  |
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Post by markm on Aug 10, 2022 10:12:35 GMT -5
Late 1950 some CN F-3 and F-7 made it on the CV...Up to what location , sorry I dont know Late 1950's, early 1960's ... Finally I think it would be interesting (and not impossible and "un-prototypical" ) to have a CN train pulled by a F7A (Especially since I don't have this loco yet). Next Christmas is coming ! It’s your railroad and you can do what you want. Prototypically, there have always been “guest” trains hosted on railroads. As an example, in 1952 the mountain pass were closed in Northern California to the east. Both WP & SP ran trains south via LA for several weeks over the ATSF. So an impossible consist of a California Zephyr pulled by an ATSF war bonnet was prototypical. I’m sure such situations existed on the eastern roads. Other thoughts would be a foreign business train running under its own colors, or a convention train running a single company’’s people, or perhaps a stock car train being Canadian beef to market. Mark |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2022 15:33:17 GMT -5
or perhaps a stock car train being Canadian beef to market. Mark A freight train pulled by an AZL CN F7A with maybe one or two CN box car(s) from AZL and MTL, a PRR and a B&O stock car (MTL, there are no CN available), and some other US cars and a CN caboose (AZL) at the end of the train ? |
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