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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 3:33:05 GMT -5
A question related with the final version of the control software for my layout, on which I am working in parallel with my landscape (while paint and glue are drying ) : did commuter trains (especially on local, rural lines) stop at each station, or did "express" trains exist, which stopped only in "bigger" towns and villages ? The purpose is to know if I should allow my double Budd to run a full turn without stopping in the village station (yes, I know, I am a little bit too finicky ). At least todays in France we have such "express" trains, but how was the usage in USA in the 60's ? For freight trains it seems more obvious that they could run through if they have no goods to deliver.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 23:16:15 GMT -5
Finally I found this. Unfortunately it's a "modern" timetable, but it seems in fact that some trains don't stop at each station ; so I can adapt my software to get realistic train movements ...
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Post by matt on Jul 28, 2021 2:06:17 GMT -5
Your timetable shows 2 different lines, that meet at Beverly. the trains stop at all stations. Mattias
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 3:16:01 GMT -5
I can see one time more that it is very difficult for somebody who never went to USA to avoid errors ... My only reference is the situation in France. Thanks for this absolutely interesting information ; and so I will modify my software to avoid the Budds running a complete turn without stopping !
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Post by robertlcollins on Jul 28, 2021 7:13:09 GMT -5
I don't know about more modern lines, but I know the Arkansas Valley Interurban (Wichita to Hutchinson, in Kansas, 1910s-1930s) did have "express" and "all-stops local" trains. The express trains only stopped at town and city stations, while the locals stopped at every station along the way (in the country, every mile or two, and more in the cities). I imagine other interurbans than ran in mixed urban-rural areas did this, so there would be a real-world parallel to what you're thinking about.
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Post by engineerblake on Jul 28, 2021 8:46:29 GMT -5
GO Transit has been in operation in the Greater Toronto Area since 1967 taking over commuter operations from CN. GO still has the 50th anniversary page up on their website, as you scroll down timetables will appear. The Transit Toronto website also has timetables from the first year of GO. goingstrong.gotransit.com/en/1960.htmltransittoronto.ca/spare/0061.shtml
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Post by husafreak on Jul 28, 2021 9:53:00 GMT -5
I couldn’t find a date the express/local split for passenger trains here in the states so I googled the question about the NYC subway system and got this:
“August 28, 1939 The initial headway for express service was between three and five minutes. 23rd Street–Ely Avenue station opened as an in-fill station on August 28, 1939. Upon its extension into Jamaica, the line drew Manhattan-bound passengers away from the nearby BMT Jamaica Line subway and the Long Island Rail Road.”
NYC may have come up with the idea for it’s important business travelers. I would get the idea caught on quickly. I certainly think your layout operations would be more interesting with both express and local trains. I cannot remember a time when express service was not an option but I was not looking at timetables in the 60’s!
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Post by kevinc on Jul 28, 2021 9:58:58 GMT -5
I live north of New York City and took the commuter trains into Manhatten for many years. Currently, Metro North Railroad (formerly Conrail and before that New York Central) runs express, semi-express and local trains on it's three lines. My uncle, who started commuting in the 1940's, told me it has always been this way. The link below is for the 3 Metro North lines. Note that some of the trains on the Hudson line skip stations. web.mta.info/mnr/html/planning/schedules/schedules.htmHope this helps
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Post by markm on Jul 28, 2021 18:14:06 GMT -5
As you should have gathered from previous posts, the short answer is yes they did and yes they do. The thing to remember is that in the 60s most commute trains were part of a larger system and whether express trains were run depended on traffic conditions for that line. Generally there is a need for passing sidings as the express trains would pass the locals and definitely the freight trains. So it’s a matter of whether you have the necessary sidings. If the sidings are at stations, the express would generally run on tracks fairest from the station
The express trains I’ve dealt with generally fill up at the origin and make only one or two stops to the final destination.
If you are still planning station announcements, you’ll probably want one “approaching train does not stop.”
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 23:12:59 GMT -5
Thanks for all Your answers. Finally I decided that, if I select a full turn for a train starting from any of my two stations : - The freight trains will run through the other station without stopping, using the "freight" siding. - The double Budd will run through the village station without stopping if started from the town ; if it starts from the village, it will stop about 10 seconds in town, start again and go back to the village. Or maybe that I will simply not allow the user to select a full turn for the passenger railcar.
To Mark : If I make train announcements, I must provide music tracks to my funfair, and my "music gazebo" too, for coherence ; and finally it will be a terrific hubbub, and nobody will distinguish anything. So : no sound !
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