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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2021 12:06:17 GMT -5
WHEN can we expect them (especially NH black-white-orange) ?
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Post by Hans Riddervold (AZL) on Dec 13, 2021 0:46:13 GMT -5
Looks like we will be getting the paint and artwork samples around New Year. Maybe March delivery.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 3:05:13 GMT -5
But, when they are available, test them on ALL tracks, especially Rokuhan ! I wonder if the "middle" wheels of each truck won't cause issues on turnouts ?
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Post by Hans Riddervold (AZL) on Dec 13, 2021 5:20:21 GMT -5
Think we decided that the middle truck wheels are without flanges
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Post by sjl on Dec 13, 2021 10:08:49 GMT -5
But, when they are available, test them on ALL tracks, especially Rokuhan ! I wonder if the "middle" wheels of each truck won't cause issues on turnouts ? I have an SP RSD-5 with the "middle" wheels that works fine on Rokuhan. Is there reason to suspect the PA1 would perform worse/differently? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2021 10:31:39 GMT -5
Is the middle axle on the RSD-5 flangeless, too ? The reason I'm afraid is that on some parts of the railway frogs, it seems that the wheels run on the flanges. So, if the middle axle can move vertically, maybe some "strange" things could happen ...
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Post by sjl on Dec 13, 2021 13:12:09 GMT -5
I think they are flanged. The E9s are also six axle. I have had no problem with either except occasionally on one siding that uses one of those little 55mm units. That is a problem for both the triple axel loco trucks and the streamlined RPOs (I think because of the ladders). Honestly even on this siding the RPOs are a bigger issue than the locos, so long as I go slowly.
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Post by BAZman on Dec 13, 2021 13:52:11 GMT -5
Their first 3 axle SD70/75’s and later with flanged center axles had no problem running and negotiating turnouts. And, their steam loco’s are flangeless. MTL has flangeless center axles on their SD40-2 with no issues.
There is a lot of plastic on top of the märklin, Rokuhan and Atlas Frogs, you won’t have a problem. Even with the MTL Frog, it is quite well isolated to eliminate shorts.
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Post by Hans Riddervold (AZL) on Dec 14, 2021 2:53:45 GMT -5
Can confirm that middle axle uses wheels without flanges. The PA three axle truck is the longest in our inventory (by far). Our original brass PA ran into all kinds of trouble back in the days since most layouts used 195mm curves or smaller. Also a suggestion from our factory. Needless to say the middle axle is non powered
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Post by sjl on Dec 14, 2021 11:17:56 GMT -5
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Post by sjl on Dec 14, 2021 11:33:54 GMT -5
And just to keep with the theme in the other thread, here's a nice picture of a SP PA1 leading what looks to be an E7 b-unit, and an E9 (all at the head of The Lark, of recent release fame):  Picture seems to keep disappearing, here's the link: www.railpictures.net/photo/145102/ |
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Post by Commodore on Dec 14, 2021 14:59:17 GMT -5
And just to keep with the theme in the other thread, here's a nice picture of a SP PA1 leading what looks to be an E7 b-unit, and an E9 (all at the head of The Lark, of recent release fame): Picture seems to keep disappearing, here's the link: www.railpictures.net/photo/145102/Wow! that train has every SP 6-wheel truck baggage car, as well as, the 6-wheel truck locomotive types … |
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Post by bloodynose on Dec 17, 2021 22:57:01 GMT -5
Can confirm that middle axle uses wheels without flanges. The PA three axle truck is the longest in our inventory (by far). Our original brass PA ran into all kinds of trouble back in the days since most layouts used 195mm curves or smaller. Also a suggestion from our factory. Needless to say the middle axle is non powered Hans, I can confirm that all of my E7, E8/E9 Locomotives have NO flanges on the center axle and I have not experienced (so far) any issues. So unless I have Amtrak, SP, and UP locos from some odd production run AZL has been doing flangeless center 3 axle trucks for a while. So if anyone out there is having problems with their E7,8,9s negotiating turnouts or crossings maybe now is the time to speak up... Mark |
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Post by sjl on Dec 18, 2021 9:28:49 GMT -5
Can confirm that middle axle uses wheels without flanges. The PA three axle truck is the longest in our inventory (by far). Our original brass PA ran into all kinds of trouble back in the days since most layouts used 195mm curves or smaller. Also a suggestion from our factory. Needless to say the middle axle is non powered Hans, I can confirm that all of my E7, E8/E9 Locomotives have NO flanges on the center axle and I have not experienced (so far) any issues. So unless I have Amtrak, SP, and UP locos from some odd production run AZL has been doing flangeless center 3 axle trucks for a while. So if anyone out there is having problems with their E7,8,9s negotiating turnouts or crossings maybe now is the time to speak up... Mark This is right - and got a bit lost in the discussion- while the RSD-5 has flanges in the center, the E8/9s do not. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2021 2:51:39 GMT -5
To terminate this endless discussion about flanges : why don't You include a spare pair of axles with flanges, the same way as You do for the other pilot ? And publish instructions for the final user how he can swap them himself ? I think this would not impact very much the final price ...
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