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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 15:55:46 GMT -5
I wanted to use the tower crane by noba-modelle but I wonder if such a crane could be found in the USA of the 60's in a village (I think not all people bought Sears houses as a "kit" ) ? And for the house itself "under construction" , only the right part of this (adding a few windows "holes" on the sides). What do You think ?
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Post by tjdreams on Feb 11, 2020 17:47:53 GMT -5
Yes absolutely. Well not for building the Sears Houses Kits but for big building construction here in the US Yes
I've worked on, put up, taken down, and operated one very similar to that many many times. The 4 we had were early 1960's models The only differences i can see in the pictures are the Operators cab was on the other side of the tower so the boom was on the operators right side and Our operating Electronics Boxes were mounted midway back on top of the Counter-Jib right behind the hoist & trolley drums. But could be mounted behind the cab as shown, Lastly when setup free standing or on railroad tracks We always put base weights on all 4 sides to utilize its maximum lifting capacity.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 0:55:04 GMT -5
Thanks, but the main difference is that I don't wanna make a "big" town building, but only a smaller one in a village ... And so the crane model suggested by Mark (and found on Shapeways) would fit better ...
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Post by markm on Feb 13, 2020 10:40:32 GMT -5
I used to enjoy watching the houses being built in my neighborhood in the 1960s, so let me take the opportunity to describe the process and equipment in more detail than most people really want to know.
Site preparation: graders were used to level the site. A backhoe would be used to prepare trenches for the house foundation and and services like sewer and water (underground electrical became common in the 1980s and later). A crane like the Shapeways would be used to lower concrete drainage pipe (1-2m diameter) into trenches in the street. Smaller service would be placed in trenches up to the house typically using a small crane mounted on a truck.
Concrete: The concrete foundation and when appropriate basement walls and floor , any concrete house and garage floors would be poured. Concrete was generally trucked-in using a cement mixer. Any additional concrete work such as sidewalks usually waited until to house construction was complete.
Framing: The wood floor of the house would be framed and covered with a sub-floor base to be built upon. A final plywood sub-floor would be added after the framing was complete. Lumber was trucked in on flatbed trucks and moved around the construction site using a forklift or by hand. The entire framing would then be completed. Scaffolding, forklift and a scissor lift would be used.
Utilities: once the framing is complete, rough electrical, plumbing and HVAC were installed in the framing. If there was to be a roof mounted HVAC unit, the crane would be brought back in to place it.
Enclosure: At this point to house would be enclosed, with final roof and exterior siding. The interior would be be finished. In the early 1960s sheet siding started being used and by the end of the decade was becoming common. This changed the way framing was done a little bit. Wall sections would be built on the ground with sheet siding and lifted into place, once again using a small crane.
Brick houses were still being built in the 1960s, but due to labor costs were getting rare. Of course this is all from my Western perspective, but I think the process would be about the same for you village.
Writing this I realize this would be an interesting modeling. Each step I mention would be done by a different work crew and if you were looking a new street, you would see houses in all the various stages.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 14:39:05 GMT -5
Thanks for all these details, but I want only show ONE SINGLE house under construction, and as I wrote in my first post I wanna use the Luetke-Kit as a base. So I contacted "Walt" at Shapeways, to get his opininion about the Army Crane, he showed me another model of a crane mounted on a truck (as You mentioned), but I wonder if it is not a little bit too modern for my era ? Maybe the Z Army Crane would be better (despite of the "round" front of the cabin) ?
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Post by markm on Feb 14, 2020 16:01:06 GMT -5
I think the Z Army crane would be more appropriate for your era. The rounded cab was typical back then. I would also give some thought to Walt's forklift as they would have been used more around the construction site.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 12:45:08 GMT -5
And now : how did the "construction facilities" (for the workers ! ) look like ? Like german versions or rather like US camping trailers ?
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Post by tjdreams on Feb 22, 2020 14:16:56 GMT -5
If by facilities you mean "out-house" it would have bin just that, an old fashion wooden out-house. A wood shack with a metal tank built on a skid so it could be moved with a fork lift.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 14:26:34 GMT -5
And what's about the german version ? Could it be used ?
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Post by markm on Feb 22, 2020 15:06:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2020 17:26:43 GMT -5
Mark, despite of the fact that the site can't be accessed from France (?), I understood that what You call a facility is in fact a ... water closet ! I Was rather meaning a shelter for eating and sleeping !
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Post by markm on Feb 22, 2020 17:44:24 GMT -5
Well I don't recall any development having such facilities. Tradesmen would drive to the site each day, eat their lunch in their car (or a sufficiently constructed house). The foreman would work off the back of a station wagon, or if he was lucky, a camper shell on a pickup truck.
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Post by tjdreams on Feb 22, 2020 20:27:07 GMT -5
That style Plastic port-a-potty didn't exist till the late 60's patents were issued around 68 or 69 and it didn't see wide spread use in the construction industry till 1970. 1960's saw the transition from wood outhouses to fiberglass then on to the plastic in the 1970's In the 60's on large long term job sites temporary multi-stall faculty were built on site to be used during the early stages of construction. These were usually simple wooden shacks built by the workers who would be using them. For smaller jobs like new home construction workers would be left to their own devices or if lucky enough to be working for a large company a wooden or maybe a newer fiberglass port-a-pot would be brought in. The workers would commute to and from the job site each day. and go home to their families each night.
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