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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 0:17:51 GMT -5
Gerd, for one thing You are absolutely right ; for "non-specialists" and at the first glance there are only two locomotive types (if You exclude pure "short" switchers) : cabin in front (F3, F7 ... or FA), or cabin between hoods (GP's) ... But what I wanted was a "front cab" in NH colour pattern ... and NH had no F3's or F7's, so they don't exist with this deco (Märklin's HO model was fantasy) ; my only present model is MTL's GP9 (and the Budd's, but this is another subject), the other engines are NYC ! All the way I have already "6.5" locomotives (the "1.5" is the double unit F3A/B), and I can't run more than 2 or 3 at the same time (if I put a double unit in front of my gravel train). So I am looking for a LAST model ... My present roster is : GP9 (MTL) in NH ; both GP7's by AZL and GP9 "long range", all NYC ; GP30 NYC (AZL) found on the Bay (new) ; F3A/B NYC (AZL). As You can see, 5 GP's and only one "front cab". The second AZL GP7 and the AZL GP9 are "spare" and for double unit, I have a third, "spare" Budd too, so I can always run them pairwise (as NH did).
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Post by cjm413 on Jun 17, 2019 17:31:12 GMT -5
Gerd, for one thing You are absolutely right ; for "non-specialists" and at the first glance there are only two locomotive types (if You exclude pure "short" switchers) : cabin in front (F3, F7 ... or FA), or cabin between hoods (GP's) ... But what I wanted was a "front cab" in NH colour pattern ... and NH had no F3's or F7's, so they don't exist with this deco (Märklin's HO model was fantasy) ; my only present model is MTL's GP9 (and the Budd's, but this is another subject), the other engines are NYC ! All the way I have already "6.5" locomotives (the "1.5" is the double unit F3A/B), and I can't run more than 2 or 3 at the same time (if I put a double unit in front of my gravel train). So I am looking for a LAST model ... My present roster is : GP9 (MTL) in NH ; both GP7's by AZL and GP9 "long range", all NYC ; GP30 NYC (AZL) found on the Bay (new) ; F3A/B NYC (AZL). As You can see, 5 GP's and only one "front cab". The second AZL GP7 and the AZL GP9 are "spare" and for double unit, I have a third, "spare" Budd too, so I can always run them pairwise (as NH did). One does not have to be a "specialist" to differentiate a GP9 from a RS3... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2019 0:29:46 GMT -5
In my eyes the "non-specialists" are children (my future "visitors", together with their grandparents) about 10 y.o. who know US trains only from movies (or comics ? ) and I presume that the grandparents don't know more about US locos ! I bought the GP30 only because it pleased to me, although it is a "hood" version (it was my Christmas gift to myself, 2017, together with the NH-GP9). But as I wrote, I won't go on with buying engines, I am not a collector ; I have now enough engines (and freight cars) to vary my freight train, the only thing I am waiting for is a "F" in NH.
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Post by QcKraag on Jun 22, 2019 7:08:02 GMT -5
But at the end of the day, we children want our dcc sound...
we can accept dcc but we dream of sound
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2019 12:31:41 GMT -5
No DCC ---> less trouble ; no sound ---> less headache !  The only (error) condition which makes the beeper sound (continuously) and locks up the system is if it is (re)started in automatic mode, because this could, after a power loss, trigger a new train start while the former one is still out of the stations ; the only thing to do is flipping the switch into manual mode and perhaps ensure that no train is still in an "active" situation. The automatic (random) mode was added to allow me to walk around, showing details on the layout to the visitors ... and trains still run ! |
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Post by tjdreams on Jun 23, 2019 1:19:57 GMT -5
opinions vary
"No DCC ---> less trouble ; no sound ---> less headache"
That May be true for some but to others, No DCC, No Sound = A ----BOORING---- 50 year olds toy train going round and round in a circle. If its not interesting enough today kids wont know or care what kind of loco is pulling that toy around the tracks. Back in the 50's 60's & 70's Even the larger scales had bilboards & Tenders with steam whistles hidden in them and operating accessories to keep us kids interested
Todays kids are more into modern technoligy they want all the bells and whistles soto speak and quite literaly. Kids today look at working out the bugs to program their DCC decoder and using a computer to control their trains as fun. Its anything but a Headake to them.
If all you want is one train running around each track with out any sound than thats up to you its your layout build it the way you want.
However that would be booring as hell to many others. Some of us want DCC and all the options that come with it like sound, loco starting air pressure vaslves blowing off, brakes squeeling, wheels screaching as they roll around a radius, Horns blasting, and bells ringing. The abuility to turn the lights on and off, Multiple trains per track each controled individualy, Working signals, Crossing bucks lowering and rasing with working flashing lights, all or partial computer controled with automated routing stoping the passenger train at the appropriate station and sending the freight straight through to the yard for sorting.
Now for the 64 million dollar question. Will their be room for a decoder in the RS3 & RSD5?
Rob only said that the current Drop-in would not work. So maybe we will just have to hardwire one in like on the Mikado's
Anything is possible, Someone figured out how and where to mill down the chassie on MTL's f7's to fit a decoder Thank you who ever you are. And i'm sure sooner or later someone will figure out how to put one in the ALCO RS3 / RSD5. once its released
AZL knows many of us Run DCC and will want to do so on any loco we might purchase, So lets all just be patient, and wait to see what they come up with.
David
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 1:55:55 GMT -5
opinions vary "No DCC ---> less trouble ; no sound ---> less headache" That May be true for some but to others, No DCC, No Sound = A ----BOORING---- 50 year olds toy train going round and round in a circle. If its not interesting enough today kids wont know or care what kind of loco is pulling that toy around the tracks. Back in the 50's 60's & 70's Even the larger scales had bilboards & Tenders with steam whistles hidden in them and operating accessories to keep us kids interested Todays kids are more into modern technoligy they want all the bells and whistles soto speak and quite literaly. Kids today look at working out the bugs to program their DCC decoder and using a computer to control their trains as fun. Its anything but a Headake to them. If all you want is one train running around each track with out any sound than thats up to you its your layout build it the way you want. 1) In my eyes, everyone has the fundamental right to build and manage his layout as HE wants. 2) On mine, there won't be one train per track, but only one train on the whole layout, it's a single track. This simplified the wiring dramatically, and avoids that 2 among my 3 trains "disappear" simultaneously in tunnels. But [ac/de]celeration, stopping at the right place, even pushing back into a dead end track and going forward one hopper at a time to simulate (un)loading of gravel are automated via position detection and a sequencer program (Atmel MEGA8515). Concerning the feature with the hoppers a neighbour, retired from the french railroad company (SNCF) said he didn't see this before on a layout. 3) I love "the sound of silence" . Model railroad should be relaxing, for excitement and emotional release I have RC tanks ! And now, let's come back to the Alco's ... with or without sound !  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 22:57:36 GMT -5
Finally, the most important thing is that AZL is making engines again ... "directly DCC-able" or not ; when Märklin launched Z-scale in 1972 there was no DCC at all ! And, maybe that in a (near ? ) future even my beloved FA in NH will come (or the PA, awaited by some people, too ? )
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Post by cwrr on Jun 27, 2019 11:18:53 GMT -5
It'll be sooooo nice to have a Milwaukee Road RS3 burbling down the tracks on a local on my layout, can't wait!!
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Post by lwr21 on Jun 27, 2019 21:47:49 GMT -5
Would CN be on the 2nd release list? Bump. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2019 21:53:03 GMT -5
Found on the page of Case Hobbies, Germany :
"Three production runs are planned.
Proposed RS3 Roads: GN, NP, CP, NH, UP, SOU, MILW, PRR, DH, SAL, BN, SSW, NYC, CN, DRGW
Proposed RSD-5 Roads: ATSF, SP, C&O"
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Post by cwrr on Jun 28, 2019 9:22:08 GMT -5
I see Milw, good enough for me!
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Post by domi on Jul 2, 2019 7:49:31 GMT -5
If you think it's the same than take an EMD F7 and you have your FA.... Gerd, For one major difference, the EMD doesn't smoke nearly as bad!As good, would you mean ?!? Dom |
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Post by lwr21 on Jul 2, 2019 13:04:05 GMT -5
Found on the page of Case Hobbies, Germany : "Three production runs are planned. Proposed RS3 Roads: GN, NP, CP, NH, UP, SOU, MILW, PRR, DH, SAL, BN, SSW, NYC, CN, DRGW Proposed RSD-5 Roads: ATSF, SP, C&O" Thank you, Alberich. There are some excellent choices here. |
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Post by domi on Jul 2, 2019 14:53:29 GMT -5
I see Milw, good enough for me! GP38-2, SD45, GP9, SD40-2, all this is available with MILW paintscheme... Now we’re just missing GE EF-1 Boxcabs and above all EF-4 ‘‘Little Joes’’.  I’m a runner and not a collector, but if one of these days a Joe was available, even brass, I would purchase one, even with my focus on mexican railroads. Dom |
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I’m a runner and not a collector, but if one of these days a Joe was available, even brass, I would purchase one, even with my focus on mexican railroads. 