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Post by markm on Aug 14, 2017 23:12:55 GMT -5
I have to say that I'm very happy with AZLs passenger car announcements. An accurate WP CZ is something I've always wanted to model. And if the HW combine comes close to looking like SP 3176-3179 my passenger trains will be complete.
If the window of opportunity is still open, maybe we could suggest some specifics that Rob & Hans haven't thought of yet.
For the Budd cars:
The Rio Grande Zephyr - all the cars came from the CZ and perhaps some of the CZ cars could be offered outside the set.
The Texas Zephyr - same car types, different names and all Burlington.
For the smooth side cars:
The other two-tone grey, used on SP/UP secondary trains to the coast. It would hurt to have some of the HW cars in this scheme as well.
City trains - many of the Armour yellow cars used "City of..." letter boards. Additionally a number of partner roads ran the yellow cars with their letter board.
I can go into detail if anyone wants.
SO these are my thoughts,
Mark
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Post by Hans Riddervold (AZL) on Aug 14, 2017 23:37:50 GMT -5
Hi Mark,
Good feedback and yes we are considering all of the above.
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Post by DAZed on Aug 15, 2017 8:29:23 GMT -5
I would buy a Texas Zephyr.
Also, if the cars would be appropriate for a UP business train or possibly parts of the BNSF business train then I'd be interested as well. The BNSF train is more of a hodgepodge of equipment but it seems these cars are sort of following a path of Kato which means they might have use for the UP train.
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Post by Joe on Aug 30, 2017 9:37:13 GMT -5
hopefully these will be available in Un-dec? Working on my Z Del Monte and it would be a shame to strip a nice paint job...unless its PRR, then it's ok  Joe |
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Post by Hans Riddervold (AZL) on Aug 30, 2017 10:47:19 GMT -5
First run will not be available as un-decs.
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Post by markm on Aug 30, 2017 11:18:53 GMT -5
First run will not be available as un-decs. Hans, A bit of clarification please as "un-decorated" has been used in various contexts. To me: undecorated = no painted (like MTL has been doing) unlettered = paint only (like your -0 paired window HW) unnumbered = paint and generic lettering only (like your -0 Pullman HW sleepers) It would be useful to use consistent nomenclature. Mark |
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Post by markm on Aug 30, 2017 12:31:07 GMT -5
hopefully these will be available in Un-dec? Working on my Z Del Monte and it would be a shame to strip a nice paint job...unless its PRR, then it's ok Joe Joe, I too have an interest in the Del Monte (yet another train of my youth). But I don't understand why you would need an un-decorated. AZL will most certainly do the aluminum and red cars, and if we ask real nice they just might do #2982 for us. However what we still need are the Harriman commute coaches. Know anyone who could do those? Mark |
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Post by neverland on Aug 30, 2017 13:14:11 GMT -5
Can hardly wait for the CA Zephyr! Rode that train twice, Chicago to Sacremento & vice versa back in the late 50s. Elegant, comfortable, & smooth.
In those days the porters would serve coffee & hot chocolate to early risers in their Pullmans & dogs were allowed to stay in the sleepers. Every morning the conductor informed dog owners which stops were extended stops so owners could get off & walk their pets.
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Post by Joe on Aug 30, 2017 15:34:36 GMT -5
hopefully these will be available in Un-dec? Working on my Z Del Monte and it would be a shame to strip a nice paint job...unless its PRR, then it's ok Joe Joe, I too have an interest in the Del Monte (yet another train of my youth). But I don't understand why you would need an un-decorated. AZL will most certainly do the aluminum and red cars, and if we ask real nice they just might do #2982 for us. However what we still need are the Harriman commute coaches. Know anyone who could do those? Mark Mainly to match our paint...reds, mask lines, lettering...sometimes they don't quite match up. Even in real life sometimes. I am bashing an Automat and a wide window coach and can use the AZL Mail Baggage. I don't think the Del Monte had any cars we can use out of the box, in any scale at the moment...so I would be painting, masking and decaling these to match. I would love to do the Harrimans...sigh... Joe |
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Post by Commodore on Aug 31, 2017 14:21:02 GMT -5
I've always felt you both could do a better job in matching one-anothers paint.
This is a small enough community for you to, at least, communicate with each other.
I hate it when the paint on each vendor's passenger car's is not even close to the other.
How about it?
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Post by fulingyu on Aug 31, 2017 16:29:49 GMT -5
I've always felt you both could do a better job in matching one-anothers paint. This is a small enough community for you to, at least, communicate with each other. I hate it when the paint on each vendor's passenger car's is not even close to the other. How about it? Seconded! I know you're both competitors but there could probably be a little more cooperation for the good of the Z community. Maybe some collaboration on a special product or something. Kinda like AZL and Marklin did on the first injection E8-9's. Or Rokuhan making European loco's for Noch. |
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Post by Joe on Aug 31, 2017 16:34:47 GMT -5
I've always felt you both could do a better job in matching one-anothers paint. This is a small enough community for you to, at least, communicate with each other. I hate it when the paint on each vendor's passenger car's is not even close to the other. How about it? I doubt that will work to be honest. getting colors correct offshore is difficult...we've always had problems. You have to also consider the color of the substrate (plastic) type of paint...enamels, lacquers, acrylic urethane and water based have tint limitations. Enamels are brighter than lacquers...the coordination would eat up your budget. We have standards, and we all have color chips, short of sending 5 gallon buckets of paint to china and back, I would not want to be responsible for that project. When we see cars out there that our cars might run with, we get samples and color match if the color is correct in the first place. The wild card. |
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Post by Joe on Aug 31, 2017 16:35:53 GMT -5
I've always felt you both could do a better job in matching one-anothers paint. This is a small enough community for you to, at least, communicate with each other. I hate it when the paint on each vendor's passenger car's is not even close to the other. How about it? Seconded! I know you're both competitors but there could probably be a little more cooperation for the good of the Z community. Maybe some collaboration on a special product or something. Kinda like AZL and Marklin did on the first injection E8-9's. Or Rokuhan making European loco's for Noch. In those situations I think the same factory did the work for both parties...correct me if I am wrong. Unless AZL is willing to send us tooling to run... LOL |
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Post by markm on Sept 1, 2017 11:48:59 GMT -5
I can understand specifying a Pantone or Munsell code for specifying a railroad paint color, Perhaps an RP the NMRA could create. But beyond that, is there really value in matching colors exactly? The home improvement store couldn't mix an exact match for a second gallon of house paint for me, nor could the body exactly match touch-up paint.
As for the western roads I model, I know there were color differences when they switched between enamel and lacquer; differences between their various paint shops at different times and simply weathering. If one were to look at the passenger trains of the these roads, there were always tonal differences that really don't show up in jpegs of 50 year-old photos and films.
I for one like modeling that variation because that is what the prototypes were about.
Mark
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Post by fulingyu on Sept 1, 2017 14:37:14 GMT -5
So are you saying that your tooling isn't as good as AZL tooling so that they have to help you out? LOL It doesn't have to be just tooling. How about MTL design something and let AZL produce it with their "better" tooling?  Collaboration could be planning for the future of both companies and how to best grow the scale as a hobby. BTW - whatever happened to the Z scale switcher that MTL was working on awhile back? Vaporware? Not trying to knock you, but as I recall, MTL did say they were working on it and we haven't heard anything since. If you still have the plans, why not collaborate with AZL on this? I know a lot of people have been waiting for a SW1, SW2, 1500, or other injection molded switcher. I think a joint project such as this would benefit both companies as well as the fans. |
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