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Post by boxcarwilly on Jan 22, 2017 11:31:37 GMT -5
I see by the prototypes indicated on AZL's product page that the GE P42 Genesis model in the Via Rail livery is going to be released sometime in the future. This is great news, however, AZL needs to know that at no time, in the past or present did Via Rail ever run double deck cars such as those used by Amtrak. These were never a consideration of Via Rail on any of it's lines since the passenger load was never high enough to justify such cars. The GE P42's pulled either the older aluminum Via Rail passenger cars, or the lightweight fibreglass cars manufactured by Bombardier. Sometime a mixture of both. I have seen the P42 and the F59 engines with single level passenger cars in various locations across this country and the Genesis engines have been modified with the rear access door at the conventional level to mate with the single level cars.
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Post by QcKraag on Jan 23, 2017 9:12:43 GMT -5
The f40ph-2 were also modified, maybe the will release "the canadian" to go with this p42's
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Post by boxcarwilly on Jan 24, 2017 13:15:42 GMT -5
Yes it would be nice to see AZL come out with the Canadian in the aluminum cars with the blue strip at roof level and yellow accents, but that would require making dome cars, bullet nose observation cars, and duplex sleepers. Can't see that happening anytime soon. Even better would be the Rocky Mountaineer. It's nice to dream though. I've seen the F40's as well. You know, it's a curious thing but all these types of engines are run nose to tail when there are more then one. I've never seen them run tail to tail. There must be a reason for it.
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Post by zscalehobo on Jan 24, 2017 13:42:09 GMT -5
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Post by markm on Jan 24, 2017 14:50:36 GMT -5
Willy,
Who manufactured the Canadian cars and are they uniquely Canadian? I mean could they be a repaint of a Santa Fe Super Chief or UP City cars or even the existing MTL cars?
The WP ran their F units "nose to tail" for freight service. They had a more colorful term for the configuration that I could sanitize as "brownnosing."
Mark
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Post by QcKraag on Jan 24, 2017 17:37:33 GMT -5
The canadian is a series of passenger cars ordered by the Canadian pacific in 1955 from the budd rail company. The coach cars are the same as the amtrak budd's and I believe the skyline and sleepers are the same as the california zephyr though not sure on that one. The only unique cars were the end park cars with dome. They are still in service today for via rail and can been seen on discovery channel's mighty train series in N scale, Kato has made them, and in HO, it was rapido trains www.exporail.org/can_rail/Canadian%20Rail_no503_2004.pdfwww.dropbox.com/s/051mbxodrm79ceb/TheCanadian.pdf?dl=0 |
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Post by smr on Jan 24, 2017 18:14:14 GMT -5
The canadian is a series of passenger cars ordered by the Canadian pacific in 1955 from the budd rail company. The coach cars are the same as the amtrak budd's and I believe the skyline and sleepers are the same as the california zephyr though not sure on that one. The only unique cars were the end park cars with dome. They are still in service today for via rail and can been seen on discovery channel's mighty train series in N scale, Kato has made them, and in HO, it was rapido trains www.exporail.org/can_rail/Canadian%20Rail_no503_2004.pdfwww.dropbox.com/s/051mbxodrm79ceb/TheCanadian.pdf?dl=0Do you mean this car here?  It is from the Atlas mini trains collection in 1:220. Best, Sven |
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Post by markm on Jan 24, 2017 19:33:44 GMT -5
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Post by QcKraag on Jan 24, 2017 21:58:25 GMT -5
That's the one Sven. Is it still abailable?
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Post by cwrr on Jan 25, 2017 10:35:09 GMT -5
That's the one Sven. Is it still abailable? I see them on Epay alot, there is also a full dome car I'd like to redo into a Milwaukee Road "Super Dome"! |
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Post by fulingyu on Jan 25, 2017 12:01:46 GMT -5
That set of three CP cars are actually static models with plastic bodies and metal chassis with plastic wheels. They come in a boxed set with some plastic track to serve as a display base.
They can be modified by replacing the chassis with a AZL, MTL, or even Marklin passenger car chassis. You will have to do some minor surgery as these models have fake trucks that are a molded part of the body shell that needs to be removed.
The full dome is a DRGW and comes with an Illinois Central observation car. Both of these can also be modified to run with Z scale trains. You can now complete your IC passenger trains. Come to think of it, you could repaint the observation car for ANY livery since MTL keeps releasing passenger cars but never an observation car to complete a set.
Oh, and Atlas also makes a very rare and hard to find Super Chief set
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Post by markm on Jan 25, 2017 12:13:24 GMT -5
... you could repaint the observation car for ANY livery since MTL keeps releasing passenger cars but never an observation car to complete a set. I can tolerate no observation car, but no diner? |
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Post by boxcarwilly on Jan 25, 2017 12:20:20 GMT -5
Yes guys you're quite right about who made these cars, but there is a bit of history behind them. Originally Canadian Pacific had smooth side passenger cars in their old colours of burgundy with black roofs, which were made our of metal I do believe. There are still quite a few of them around today but only on excursion or private trains, and some have found their way into parks and other places as restaurants and museum cars, but I digress. When CP eventually switched over to the lighter weight aluminum cars, the burgundy stripe at roof level with gold lettering was the norm. All these were pulled by engines with the familiar burgundy and grey livery. Then when CP purchased new F series engines and modernized some of the older one's the paint scheme was changed to the orangy-red with the black and white and orangy-re and white chevrons front and back of the engines. This necessitated that the burgundy stripe on the passenger cars be changed to red as well with the black and white CP logo at the end. Then when Via Rail bought out the passenger service from both CP and CN the stripe again was changed to blue with yellow accents. Since CP was still running the older smooth sided heavyweight cars, these were also changed to blue with double yellow lines when acquired by Via. These cars are still in existence today and can mostly be found on the Vancouver to Toronto and Montreal to Halifax runs sometimes in mixed consists.
Over time, Via has been replacing these cars with those made by Bambardier which are lighter in weight and quieter then the traditional cars. These had grey upper halves and blue bottoms with at thick yellow stripe below the windows. They had the blue Via Rail at one end with a red maple leaf, and some cars carried the Canadian flag as well. These were found mostly on Via's short haul routes. The newer version of these cars are spectacular to see and called Renaissance cars as they are painted in multiple shades of green, with grey and yellows. These have sliding passenger access doors with hydraulic retractable stairs. The engines are painted in the same colours and are almost a piece of art. Actually quite impressive to be sure.
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Post by boxcarwilly on Jan 25, 2017 12:24:27 GMT -5
nose to tail?" Do you mean "elephant style?" Like this:
Yes Hobo, like this. These engines always seem to run in this fashion and I find it curious. Is there some significance to this configuration? The Rocky Mountaineer runs their engines the same way up to three at a time.
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Post by fulingyu on Jan 25, 2017 12:34:06 GMT -5
... you could repaint the observation car for ANY livery since MTL keeps releasing passenger cars but never an observation car to complete a set. I can tolerate no observation car, but no diner? Point taken on the diner. I didn't mean to say that a train would be complete with just adding an observation car. I was referring to whenever MTL releases their passenger cars in new paint schemes, they always do it in a set of four. Consisting of a baggage car, a sleeper, a coach (or two coaches if they don't include a dome car), and sometimes a dome car. No observation, diner, lounge, parlor, rpo, or anything else. Just the four body styles. Now obviously not every road will have all body styles, but MTL could mix it up a little more. True that we could repaint what we need from existing passenger cars to fit in our particular train, but I was thinking more that Atlas makes this model that could be adapted also to form our trains. |
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