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Post by Commodore on Dec 18, 2016 19:58:55 GMT -5
Found a picture of SP 6318 Baggage car in Daylight paint.
Wonder how many HW cars were painted for Daylight service?
Daylight HW cars were out there.
Does anyone know of more?
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Post by markm on Dec 18, 2016 22:38:48 GMT -5
The unofficial list of revenue Daylight heavyweights is: coscia-espee.info/sp_daylight.htmlSP6318 isn't on this list, so I'd be interested in the image. In addition, a number of heavyweights (including sleepers) were "Daylighted" for MOW service, as were a number of the business cars, and I was told by a former SP executive that there was also a business train. I have no good details for road numbers for any of these. Mark
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Post by Rob Albritton on Dec 19, 2016 12:44:39 GMT -5
a number of heavyweights (including sleepers) were "Daylighted" for MOW service, as were a number of the business cars, and I was told by a former SP executive that there was also a business train. This is one of the reasons we felt comfortable about making the Heavyweight Daylight set. There was enough evidence, and we really thought it would look good - and it does!
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Post by Commodore on Dec 20, 2016 14:04:51 GMT -5
I should have bought it...
The picture, I mean.
(I did buy two of the HW sets.)
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Post by markm on Dec 21, 2016 14:50:34 GMT -5
I should have bought it... The picture, I mean. (I did buy two of the HW sets.) Pity. Well one does have to set priorities. I did a bit of research on 6318 and it seems that it started out in green (no surprise) and was repainted in two-tone grey about 1950 and was seen on and possibly customized for "Lark" service. Of course none of this proves it wasn't painted Daylight Orange. Mark
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Post by Commodore on Dec 21, 2016 17:02:03 GMT -5
Hi, Mark:
Thanks for the research!
You must have quite the resource library.
As soon as I'm finished with the NYC. I'm starting on modeling the SP...
Thanks again
Rory
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Post by markm on Dec 21, 2016 18:19:28 GMT -5
Rory, Actually for the SP quite a bit of info is (has been) on the net. When you start looking into modeling the SP may I suggest: www.espee.railfan.netwww.modelingtheSP.comAlso the SP Technical and Historical Society, www.sphts.org has produced some excellent reference material. Mark
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Post by Commodore on Dec 21, 2016 21:44:27 GMT -5
Thanks again, Mark: I appreciate the links, Look at what I found on modelingtheSP.com: SP Daylight Paint SchemeDuring the 2nd half of the 50’s the following heavyweight cars were painted and lettered for the Daylight: Baggage 6029, 6204, 6507 RPO 5070, 5218, 5219 Baggage-Chair 3176 Diner 10038, 10040 Lounge 2980 Hamburger Grill 10507, 10509 Compare with this list:12-1 Pullman Sleeper "Alamo 8-1-2 Pullman Sleeper "De Peyster" 28-1 Parlor Car #2929 Paired Window Chair Car Observation Car #2950 36-Seat Diner #10148 Baggage Car #6085
AZL needs to make up a few more carsRead more: azlforum.com/thread/756/november#ixzz4TX0VrtxT
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Post by markm on Dec 21, 2016 23:47:22 GMT -5
Rory,
Glad you found the links useful.
The link I posted earlier is a bit more comprehensive and includes some train assignments. Note that these lists are for revenue service, so there is still a range of Daylight cars in business and MOW service not mentioned. But I agree for the Baggage, RPO and diner AZL could produce more Daylight cars. I'd be interested in single units of all three (both roof styles). As for the lounge, combine and the hamburger grill, as I recall they would need new shells. The Combine 3176 is one I'm working on. It's SP RPO chassis and roof, 45% paired window coach and 55% SP baggage car shells, in case AZL might want to produce it.
But when it comes to SP paint, most heavyweights were painted in two-tone grey by the early 50s and run on the secondary trains. When we talk about "Daylight" I would point out the that the original HW Daylight was pearl grey. Finally, some of the HW baggage cars were ultimately painted in simulated stainless steel and red.
Mark
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Post by Commodore on Dec 22, 2016 12:26:54 GMT -5
Thanks, Mark:
You're awful brave to kit bash like that. Although, I'm sure it would be effective.
I'm thinking it would be a good thing to get another set of AZL HW Daylight cars
to make sure I've got enough baggage and diners. Hope AZL will run another batch.
I'm having new roofs cast for the Marklin Daylights, as we speak
and bought a two color pad printer to change some of the lettering.
In this case, I like the AZL paint coloring the best.
Maybe they will make a few more.
Thanks again
Rory
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Post by markm on Dec 22, 2016 21:56:23 GMT -5
Rory, The basic combine: isn't really that big an effort. Cut the coach at the appropriate window then work the baggage shell down until the mated sections fit the RPO chassis. To me the biggest issue will be the steps when I convert to MTL trucks. There are also grab irons and ladders and a couple more roof vents to add. I was wondering what you found objectionable with the Märklin cars? Updating my set is on my snow-day list this year and other than an interior for the dome they seemed reasonable. I'd also being interested to hear a bit more about your pad printing. I've always thought that it would be a good side business, but never could figure out how to make it profitable on less than 100 car imprints per day.
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Post by smr on Dec 23, 2016 4:43:13 GMT -5
Hi Mark,
i will ask my experts whether they can do such a car.
If they can, is there anybody else interested in one or two?
Best, Sven
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Post by fulingyu on Dec 23, 2016 8:05:58 GMT -5
I would be interested to add that to the AZL HW set.
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Post by Commodore on Dec 23, 2016 10:29:28 GMT -5
Thanks, Mark, Sven, and new guy:
You know we are well off the mainstream with this project. To each his own, I guess. Watch out new guy, this can get serious...
I'm an inventor, waiting on a patent to issue. I'm trying to stay creative, but also need projects that I can finish.
The combine conversion just seems too hard for me. Mark, you are more man than me for trying it. Sven, I don't have your contacts or influence.
The Marklin passenger cars have the wrong roof contour. Compared to AZL and MTL, they are "too squatty."
The under car defects can be easily dealt with ...especially with the Daylight cars ...because it is painted black.
The printer is to redo the UP HW cars that I missed. It needs pneumatic and electrical systems. ...Major headache.
I'm only now installing the air compressor portion. Ultimately, I may have to become an AZL dealer just to afford the cars to print after paying someone to paint them.
This is from a guy who has hundreds of z-scale passenger cars, already. I'd rather someone just sell me the UP parlor, diner, baggage and sleeper cars I'm missing.
Anyway, new guy, Its not too late to find a cheaper hobby!
Merry Christmas ....to you all,
Rory
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Post by markm on Dec 23, 2016 13:20:05 GMT -5
Hi Mark, i will ask my experts whether they can do such a car. If they can, is there anybody else interested in one or two? Best, Sven As for myself, I've already got the cars I need to build this. Probably would have been cheaper to 3D print it, but I already have plans for the leftovers. Just waiting for a snow day to do it. The combine is an interesting project. Every railroad had a few: for use on short turns and south of the Mason-Dixon line for third class service. Really no standardization between roads. This particular car was assigned to the Sacramento Daylight, a daily turn between Sacramento and Tracy to connect to the San Joaquin Daylight. I'm just lucky that the AZL models are SP compatible. For the other SP combines: modelingthesp.com/Passenger_Cars/Coach_-_Baggage.html... The Marklin passenger cars have the wrong roof contour. Compared to AZL and MTL, they are "too squatty." The under car defects can be easily dealt with ...especially with the Daylight cars ...because it is painted black. I hadn't really noticed but until now but I've only run them with the Märklin F unit, which itself is a bit squat. From the info I have at hand, the HW cars were typically about 3-6" higher than the LW cars, but that really shouldn't be noticeable and they should definitely match MTL. I think I see another after Christmas project coming on.
Well it seems that AZL has another run of heavyweights coming in, maybe if we all whine hard enough, they'll tell us if there are more armour yellow cars in the future.
Merry Christmas,
Mark
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