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Post by markm on Aug 11, 2022 18:29:24 GMT -5
You might also consider the Grand Truck Railroad which also was a CN subsidiary and a Massachusetts road as well. I believe MTL did some of their rolling stock. I recall reading that the U.S. CN roads frequently loaned each other equipment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 23:47:45 GMT -5
GP9 no longer available, no caboose ; but some freight cars available.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2022 2:12:53 GMT -5
Now I wanted to order my CN rolling stock (as my Christmas gift to myself) and looked on Wikipedia for CN ... and did no more see the line through Massachusetts. The ultimate question : did this line still exist in the late 60's, or not ? I don't wanna build a SciFi layout ! Thanks for any answer ...
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Post by markm on Oct 3, 2022 9:07:58 GMT -5
If we are talking freight cars, I suspect CN cars ran on as “guests” on most of the east coast railroads. For your time frame, I would assume the major Canadian product coming into the U.S. would be grain. In the early 60s there was a conversion for shipping grain from boxcars to covered hoppers. I would suggest that a CN 40” boxcar and/or an early covered hopper. Beyond this I don’t have enough local knowledge to suggest more. Maybe some our east coasters can suggest more. An interesting modeling feature if you get a boxcar with working doors: as grain was loaded into boxcars a sheets of wood would be placed in the doorway as a dam. Empty cars frequently had some of this left in the doorway on the return trip. You could use a 6-7 mm piece of wood strip in the open doorway to model this feature Hope this helps, Mark
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Post by eds on Oct 3, 2022 10:36:50 GMT -5
Yes the line has had continued use to present day. First as Central Vermont and now as New England Central. Canada thru Brattleboro, Vt thru Palmer, Mass to Willimantic, CT. Originally also to New London with connection to the New Haven. Today the New London connection is Providence and Worchester RR. This part of CV was sort of a Easterly tilted North South route.
Today there are weekly CN gondolas of steel billets, CN grain cars for Franklyn, Ct and CN lumber center beams for Windham, CT distribution left on the interchange track in Willimantic, CT to be forwarded by P&W. Not much has changed in 50 years!!
Palmer, Mass is a distribution point for E/W interchange to other RRs.
Hope that helps.
Ed S. Connecticut.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2022 10:42:00 GMT -5
Thanks. Unfortunately there are no CV locos at AZL. So I think that a mix of US and CN cars, with a CN caboose and F7 "could be conceivable" between 1965 and 1970, or not ? "Bnsantaray", You wrote that some CN F7 came to USA in the late 50's, why not ten years later ? Or was this definitively "over" ? About the SW : I would need to repaint completely ... The URL would look rather "strange" in the 60's !
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Post by markm on Oct 3, 2022 13:13:50 GMT -5
Generally speaking cabooses would match the road of the lead locomotive. However at least out west it was common for subsidiary roads to exchange equipment with the parent, so SP might run Cotton Belt cabooses and Sacramento Northern would run WP.
Also not unusual to run two cabooses for special load trains: one from the origin RR to monitor the load and one from the host RR to monitor the train.
Hope this gives you ideas.
For the SW url, knowing how much you enjoy painting, I'd suggest using a decal stripe. Easy to add and easy to remove.
Mark
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2022 15:00:51 GMT -5
I don't like the SW, I read in another thread that there could be friction on the track from the tanks between the trucks (there is not enough "float"). Finally : F7 of CN in the 60's, yes or no ?
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Post by markm on Oct 3, 2022 19:00:25 GMT -5
I don't like the SW, I read in another thread that there could be friction on the track from the tanks between the trucks (there is not enough "float"). Finally : F7 of CN in the 60's, yes or no ? Yes. Production ran to 1953. CN purchased in 1951. The tiger stripe paint and and 9100-series road numbers (MTL) are from the late 60s. Your era would 9000-series. If you’re thinking of a custom paint this might help: www.cnrha.ca/node/266/Mark
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2022 22:31:55 GMT -5
Thanks Mark but I wanted to know if I can run it in MA of the late 60's (as "Bnsataray" said that it was in the late 50's, seldom but possible ... ), too ... As some people say : "When in doubt, forbear" : the rolling stock is not really cheap, in fact too expensive to make a "false" usage of it.
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Post by smr on Oct 4, 2022 0:58:56 GMT -5
Microtrains had a CV GP9 Road #4557 MT#982 01 150
Best, Sven
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2022 1:18:01 GMT -5
As You write, "had" ; available nowhere ... And my GP9 (kitbashed from a "military" GP35 chassis bought at Marsilius and a GP9 shell from ZScale Monster) runs only correctly because Mr Marsilius himself modified the axles, they were too "wide" for the Rokuhan turnouts, the locomotive jerked like an off-road car ...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2022 23:49:49 GMT -5
Since I didn't get any satisfying answer to my question concerning the CN locos in MA at the end of the 60's (probably they were "has been" ), I will finally use my proverb : "In case of doubt, forbear", use only some freight cars of CN and stay with my "beloved" NH and NYC ; I have already 9 freight locos and can only run 2 freight trains simultaneously (and I have also a complete set of NH and NYC Budds, and can only run one set at once), I think this is enough, until new locos of my two companies will be perhaps produced ; and I am not a collector ...
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Post by markm on Oct 6, 2022 18:27:07 GMT -5
It’s been interesting and challenging to research your question and I’m still working on it. The U.S. references gloss over the CN subsidiaries here and the Canadian sources seem to ignore anything south of the border. I’d like to have a definitive answer for you, but let me summarize what I’ve found so far for your consideration.
I can find no reference for F7s assigned in the U.S.
The only reference I’ve found for the AZL model, CN9036, is suspect as it is reported as unknown USA and a date over a decade after the unit was wrecked and scraped. Unable to confirm from image either date or location from the image.
CN assigned a number of F3A’s and at least one B unit to GTW. AZL models CN6000 ran on the line and CN6001was assigned to GTW Images exist for#6011 in the U.S. with both CN and GTW lettering. GTW also supplied motive power as necessary to CV as needed.
I’m left to wonder left to wonder if the reported F7s were actually F3s. Also did CV have the facilities to turn an F#A unit? In the later zebra stripe years the F units were run with a GP, suggesting it might be a lead unit for a consist that couldn’t be turned on the CV.
This is pretty weak logic. I’d love to get a train order or images Right now I would go for an F3A as the most probable. We really need input from the east coast.
Mark
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2022 6:15:54 GMT -5
Dear Mark, don't waste Your time, I will be satisfied with my present rolling stock (maybe just CN cars to be added, but no locos)
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