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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 8:45:24 GMT -5
Who knows where I can find such models, to put beside some houses in my village ? There is the Outland model, but it seems to be out of scale (it would be over 25' in depth in 1/1). There is nothing at Shapeways or Randy Brown, the only possible is Rokuhan's but it is delivered together with a shed ... Thanks for any idea !
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Post by markm on Oct 14, 2019 9:28:37 GMT -5
GCLaser has a kit 5247 that's shorter if you want to go that way. But the Outland model is not inappropriate for the time and place you're modeling. In cold weather country it's common to build a long free-standing garage with a workshop as suggested by the windows at the end. If you get one, you might want to add a fluepipe for a wood stove.
BTW: My garage is nearly 30' deep giving me room for a substantial workshop.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 13:35:35 GMT -5
Thanks Mark, I will order two items from Outland to see how they look beside my houses ...
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Post by markm on Oct 14, 2019 13:55:36 GMT -5
Alberich,
Glad to help. You bring up another thought. Again for your place and era, houses in a town would frequently have a back service alley with the garage facing the alley. It would also be common for heating fuel tanks along the alley and even incinerators which could look like a U.S. mail box with it's legs cut off or just an oil barrel.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 14:34:52 GMT -5
It would be nice to see a picture of such a heating tank (shape ? size ? ). So, if they don't exist as models, I could design them for 3D-printing.
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Post by markm on Oct 14, 2019 15:07:15 GMT -5
Well probably the most likely heating fuel tank would be propane and mine looks like: From 1958, 24" in diameter about 8' long, the green piece on top covers the valves and gas gauge. This tank is typical for residential use. Tanks are nearly always white and the top cover color varies. This is also the type of tank is also used to heat turnout mechanisms in snowy areas. Mark
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Post by BAZman on Oct 14, 2019 15:51:28 GMT -5
GC or RS Laser makes oil tank that mounts on the side of the wall or simple ground-based frame. Rounded top/bottom, tall aspect ratio.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2019 16:45:08 GMT -5
Thanks to everybody. Now what I understood : 1) The garage is built beside the house, with its door facing the street in front of the house. Both fronts (house and garage) should be approximately aligned because there is often a surface of lawn (not shown here) in front of the house. 2) There is another service alley, around the house ; and this alley should be broad enough (more than the entrance of the garage) to allow a tank truck to access the storage tank ... Or should the alley be between the house and the garage ? If there is something wrong in what I understood, please attach a simple drawing of what You mean ...
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Post by markm on Oct 14, 2019 18:50:08 GMT -5
I'm fascinated by some of the detail you're putting into your layout. A good part of the answer depends on when your community was built. Generally speaking, houses built before 1940 didn't put much if any priority to cars, after 1945 much more so. Here's a drawing that might help. The service alley would run in back of houses and although not drawn there could be the backs of houses mirrored above the alley. The alley would have all utilities: electric, telephone, water and would be used for deliveries. Houses 1-3 would be examples of pre-1940. The lots are long and narrow. In #1 there's just enough space for a driveway and the garage sits behind the house with it's exit toward the street. #2 has no space for a driveway and the garage is built exiting toward the alley. #3 has space for the driveway but choose to build the garage exiting on the alley. If you want to look around such a neighborhood do a street or aerial view of 743 Gay St., Longmont CO. #4-5 are examples of post-1945 housing. The alleys were generally going away and utilities and service were done on the street. The garage becomes more prominent with either a front or side exit. Propane tanks would generally be at least 10' from the house with easy access to the alley or the street. Hope this makes sense, Mark
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 0:43:23 GMT -5
The situation seen in most movies is #1 or #4 (I did never see an alley in back, so did my visitors) ; #2 and #3 would make the plan too complicated for my village, due to the need of the alley. My houses are most pre-1940, I will use one of the situations shown below (or mirrored). 10' are about 14 mm in 1/220. But I prefer my #1 (without the alley), it's a compromise ; #2 needs a second access and is so a waste of surface. And I will use a mix of fuel tanks by GC-Laser and propane tanks, I'll try to make these in 3D.
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Post by markm on Oct 15, 2019 1:42:42 GMT -5
Seems perfectly reasonable, I was just trying to give you options. Alleys do take up space which is why they rapidly declined 1:1.
The only thing I can take exception to is that you've never seen then in the movies. Just about every good chase scene where people hit garbage cans or dumpsters or "take it out back", is in an alley. It's just a matter nobody notices them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 2:43:55 GMT -5
And here You see my propane tanks (linked with sprues) ; printing costs about 8€ (one pair as on the picture) in SLS, white polished polyamide at Sculpteo, France. Questions : Mark, on the picture I see a "dark zone" on the tank ; is it painted grey or simply the shadow of the tree on the left ? And, concerning city buildings (like Rokuhan's), where should I put the tank ? In a backyard, with the service alley parallel with the main street in front ? And should it be bigger ?
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Post by altunha on Oct 15, 2019 7:29:15 GMT -5
I purchased a few items from Outland Models, and found that the structures are ‘thick’, and rough, and a bit out of scale. I know these are 3-D printed and a neat idea, but the fineness of the detail turned me off.
I have begun scratch-building my structures from paper and cardstock and styrene. Using Evans Design Model Builder software and a Cricut Cutter, are good tools.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2019 8:01:44 GMT -5
The garages are not FDM, but SLA printed ... And please don't speak about Evans : I bought the Brickyard, they say it's compatible with W7, but it crashes just after selecting the scale. I thought it was perphaps because I have W7 64 bits pro and tried a compatibility mode : same issue ...
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Post by markm on Oct 15, 2019 9:34:58 GMT -5
The tanks look good. What you're seeming is shadows. The is an overpressure valve halfway down the straight section from the cover. It's just a 2" diameter by 1" disk. It really doesn't show in the image. Tanks would typically be installed away from traffic and public view so behind a building in an alley, perhaps behind a fence would be appropriate. If you are using the larger Rokuhan buildings, you might consider a larger tank: 26" in diameter and 2' longer with the same cover.
I am anxious to see how all this turns out.
And a question: isn't propane used in rural areas of France today? The suburban areas in the 1950s-60s?
Mark
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