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Post by charlie on Nov 4, 2018 14:56:21 GMT -5
Hi, View of the back side and stairs
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Post by charlie on Nov 4, 2018 14:59:27 GMT -5
and a general back view On more roof detail and I start the production Charlie
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Post by charlie on Nov 5, 2018 15:17:08 GMT -5
Hi! Finally, it is done! On top of the 2 small front roofs the last detailing parts Production is now starting for the smaller parts. Just waiting the autorisation from Union Pacific before selling Web page is now available on Facebook: Z&US ModelsNow thinking of the next project! Actually thinking of a modular city building, meaning that I make a ground and a top floor, middle floors that you can add in between. You could add as many floors as you want to get a wished building height. From this building I could also make a backdrop version. Charlie
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Post by charlie on Nov 11, 2018 3:49:15 GMT -5
Now thinking of the next project! Actually thinking of a modular city building, meaning that I make a ground and a top floor, middle floors that you can add in between. You could add as many floors as you want to get a wished building height. From this building I could also make a backdrop version. Charlie Drawing of this building is almost ready Charlie
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Post by charlie on Nov 12, 2018 11:08:36 GMT -5
Hi all, Here is the second project. It is a simplified reproduction of the "1501 Larimer Street building" in Denver. This building doesn't seem to exist anymore , that's why I chose this one. It was a furniture shop building in the 50s, and did stand next to a "railroad building" (the white block on the drawing). About the model, it is about 10.5cm tall, 8.2cm wide and 6.8cm depth. The writing can be modified or removed as wished. It is composed of a ground-floor, the first and top stories; and two intermediate stories. It will be sold like on the drawing with 2 intermediate stories. However, as an option you can add as many "intermediate story" as you wish, to get the desired building height. Window glazing will be included. It is currently a 2sided building, meaning that the 2 other sides are just blank walls, in order to fit on a backdrop or on a street corner. I could make different version (3 or 4 sided building) if there is some interest here. Hope you like it! Charlie
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Post by dazed on Nov 13, 2018 11:34:50 GMT -5
Your structures are very unique. I would think that station could be the centerpiece for a very impressive module or set of modules if one modeled the western US in the transition era.
For me, that second structure is definitely of interest. And it could easily exist in modern times. One of my possible future modeling targets is a mid-size city in Texas that has several similar structures standing still today. My first thought is that a two-sided building wouldn't be ideal, but as long as the blank walls can be removed fairly easily then one could easily build a 4-sided structure by combining two. 3-sides would be all I would need, (and possibly even one side as a backdrop structure) but admittedly by the time I would potentially need this I'm sure they'll be long gone. But interesting model to have "in circulation" anyway. And by the way, don't ignore your potential market with n-scalers as forced-perspective background structures, too.
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Post by markm on Nov 13, 2018 12:26:18 GMT -5
Charlie, An interesting choice. What brought your interest to Denver and this building? My Dad's family comes from north of Denver, and structures like this were still common when we visited Denver in the early 1960s and virtually gone by the 1990s. In the early days of Denver, the corner looked like: digital.denverlibrary.org/cdm/ref/collection/p15330coll21/id/10426This particular building was probably built in the 1880s, possibly as a hotel or department store: coloradoencyclopedia.org/article/larimer-squareThe last time I was in Denver (2012) the only things I recognized was the Union Station and Lakeside amusement park. It's a good structure to model as I'm aware of a number of similar buildings in use today in Northern California and Nevada. I would suggest only two options to your design. First, limit the upward expansion to no more than 2 floors. This sort of building would generally not be more than 5-6 floors in real life. Also consider making it 3-sided as Doug suggested as this is to sort of structure one would back up to a backdrop. Perhaps the third side could start out simple, like the side of the building in my first link, with upper floors continuing the windows around. Mark
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Post by charlie on Nov 15, 2018 4:50:12 GMT -5
Hi, thanks for your suggestions. Why this building in particular, I don't really know, I found some old nice B&W pictures and this one draw my attention. I simply liked it from the first watch. Then I looked for more info. But I'm watching a lot all west buildings, from Denver, Salt Lake City, but also San Francisco, and old ones like the one you show Mark. This building has actually 4 sides. The 2 sides not visible on the drawing are just flat walls. I can make a symmetric wall, and I thought of a different one on the back side: with a small freight entrance with large doors, and simple square windows. stairs could also be added but that is more complicated to build. And yes Mark, no more than 2 extra floors! About N-scale, very easy to do, just change the scale. However, printing takes very long if you want nice details and it would take 5h extra hours for a 13h project like this one, so 18h in total for one building...(days are only 24 h )... The station is 70-80h hours printing for one model Pictures of the printed building very soon Charlie
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Post by dazed on Nov 15, 2018 8:00:52 GMT -5
About N-scale, very easy to do, just change the scale. However, printing takes very long if you want nice details and it would take 5h extra hours for a 13h project like this one, so 18h in total for one building...(days are only 24 h )... The station is 70-80h hours printing for one model Hi Charlie, I think you misunderstood my comment about n-scale. I wasn't suggesting changing the scale. I just mean that many n-scalers will use Z-scale structures as background buildings. This creates "forced perspective" where the smaller background buildings look further away which helps increase the feeling of depth when in reality there may be only a foot or two of layout. So, when trying to sell your wares, you might let the n-scale community know that you have this Z structure available. In the limited numbers, you'll probably sell out to Z-scalers...but just in case that could be an option.
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Post by charlie on Nov 15, 2018 8:11:17 GMT -5
Hi Charlie, I think you misunderstood my comment about n-scale. I wasn't suggesting changing the scale. I just mean that many n-scalers will use Z-scale structures as background buildings. This creates "forced perspective" where the smaller background buildings look further away which helps increase the feeling of depth when in reality there may be only a foot or two of layout. So, when trying to sell your wares, you might let the n-scale community know that you have this Z structure available. In the limited numbers, you'll probably sell out to Z-scalers...but just in case that could be an option. Haa ok!! yes I misunderstood :s Indeed, haven't thought about it! I'll sell to those who want the models. But keep in mind production is slow, meaning there won't be more that 10 stations produced in total for example, the furniture shop is planned for 20-30 units so far. So get your reservations! (PM, Facebook..) Otherwise, I finished the model with 3 sides or 4 sides. On the ground story the 2 other sides are different, on the stories above it is simply a symmetry from the 2 other sides. That will give choice to get either 2, 3 or 4 sided building ..for the same price I'll then do a very narrow one with one side and short angles (2cm depth) for use as a backdrop. charlie
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Post by markm on Nov 15, 2018 10:19:53 GMT -5
IMO you're both right. There is a market for 1:220 structures for forced perspective in larger scales. There is also a market for iconic structures such as the Union station in N and HO scales. There's also a market from diorama builders in both 1:200 & 1:250. That's the beauty of 3D printing: build to order and with a good design build to suit.
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Post by dazed on Nov 15, 2018 11:44:39 GMT -5
True, although some large structures present problems when scaling up. Many 3D printers have a limited space that cannot accommodate large structures beyond N-scale. (if that!) So it's not always just a matter of building to suit by changing the scale.
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Post by markm on Nov 15, 2018 12:09:44 GMT -5
It all depends on the design. This guy has a huge HO city hall: www.mokrivermodels.com/mokrivermodels.com/Model_Kits.htmlbut he's broken the design down into manageable blocks. BTW in doing so he's had the writing more efficient and has been able to drop the price from the original $4K.
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Post by charlie on Nov 15, 2018 14:31:45 GMT -5
Yep! An affordable 3D printer hasn't a large volume. Mine is 25x25x20cm, enough for Z and N scale. And still, the Station is made of 63 separate parts to be assembled afterwards (window glazing excluded), as the total length of the station is 43 cm (too big). Some parts need higher detail quality than others and go under separate runs. Doing that way you reduce the printing time. To give you an idea, the central roof is a run of 10h30... any problem happening during the process and it's lost. The quality details is actually better than I would have expected, but details below the size of 5-8cm (1:1) are hard to reproduce in Z with this process, also depending if you print a part lying down on a side or standing. But I find it enough for our hobby. I can still increase the detail quality using thinner layers, but the it would dramatically increase the printing time...and final price!
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Post by charlie on Nov 15, 2018 15:50:00 GMT -5
Here are the different versions of this building: 2, 3 or 4sides. Note that the roof detailing can be removed if desired. The 2-sided version draft is finished with printing, pictures tomorrow! Charlie
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