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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 18:11:20 GMT -5
Is it believable that, in the 60's, a CP freight car could be seen in a NH or NYC train, between cars from various US ( "eastern" ) companies (NH, NYC, Boston and Maine, etc) ? Perhaps the question seems stupid to You ... I think that the traffic between the different companies on the North American Continent was managed the same way as for international (RIC) in Europe, or am I wrong ? Thanks for any answers ...
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Post by dave on Jan 17, 2018 18:37:09 GMT -5
I see CN and CP cars in Vermont quite a lot. When I lived near Omaha, Nebraska, there are CN tracks going into Council Bluffs on the Iowa side. I saw CN locos and rolling stock there frequently.
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Post by dazed on Jan 17, 2018 20:28:34 GMT -5
Definitely believable. It happened, and probably happened frequently depending on the line.
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Post by markm on Jan 17, 2018 21:34:28 GMT -5
Alberich, In the 60s the railroad system was still rather fragmented and rolling stock from "foreign" roads was not uncommon. For example a Pacific Fruit Express car from California would not be unusual on NH destined for a local distributor, or the "State of Maine" car we've talked about showing up once a month at a California food processing plant.
As far as how traffic was handled, I'm not familiar with RIC. In general in the 60s it was a matter of logging a "foreign car" into and out of and road and charging the owner per diem, per mile, per pound for it's time on that road. In some cases like the Pacific Fruit Express, several roads would do a joint operation with a fleet of cars owned between them. You might want to look up the "Salad Bowl Express".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 1:28:23 GMT -5
Thanks, now I can order MTL 500 00 882 ... and swap more frequently in my box-cars train (max 5 box cars + caboose) !
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Post by neverland on Jan 18, 2018 6:11:35 GMT -5
Absolutely! Still happening. The other day I had the Asland VA live train cam running & saw a TX fruit growers car on a CSX freight train headed north.
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Post by ProgressRail on Jan 18, 2018 7:50:48 GMT -5
Interchange and demurrage...not "exchanging"; it's an everyday common occurrence, especially with class I's...so mix em' up and don't let it catch you off guard. ^_*.
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Post by markm on Jan 18, 2018 12:35:04 GMT -5
One thing to recognize in this conversation is the difference between then (1960s) and now. The U.S. economy was far more regional back then so there was much less of a need for interchange and foreign car much more of a rarity.
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Post by engineerblake on Jan 18, 2018 16:25:42 GMT -5
Seeing as the TH&B was jointly owned by CP and the NYC, I'd say yes.
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Post by boxcarwilly on Jan 22, 2018 12:48:46 GMT -5
It is totally believable to see CN and CP equipment on US rail lines back then and more so today. A major part of that is the investing of Canadian rail lines in US companies. For example, Canadian Pacific owns SOO line and just recently purchased a controlling interest in Union Pacific. It has become quite common place to see Union Pacific locos up here in the great white north. In fact, the CP rail facility just a few blocks from my home is a major repair hub for CP, SOO and Union Pacific locos. It has only been in the last 4 years the UP locos have been seen here on a regular basis. I can't speak for the rest of the country, but they can be seen hauling heavy freight through the Rockies to the coast and back sometimes alone and other times in consist with CP locos. Canadian National owned Grand Trunk in the States. They also own Central Vermont, and Illinois Central. Central Vermont locos can be see in Eastern Canada while Illinois Central locos can be seen on the prairies. So yes, CN and CP both have whole or part ownership of some US lines. Why it isn't the other way around I don't know. As for BCR, they used to be the Pacific Great Eastern. I can't say if the BCR runs into the States or not under that banner. They used to under PGE.
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Post by dave on Jan 22, 2018 13:05:54 GMT -5
Willy....being from Omaha where Union Pacific is headquartered, I heard nothing about CP buying a controlling interest in them. Do you have a link or something as I would be interested in reading that.
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Post by fulingyu on Jan 22, 2018 15:22:44 GMT -5
Willy....being from Omaha where Union Pacific is headquartered, I heard nothing about CN buying a controlling interest in them. Do you have a link or something as I would be interested in reading that. Doing a Google search turns up nothing about CP buying a controlling interest in UP. There are articles about CP trying to take over Norfok Southern and UP being opposed to the action. But nothing about a merger. www.omaha.com/money/canadian-pacific-disappointed-by-u-p-chief-s-merger-comments/article_db93fb7d-12c8-5612-b298-186aa79fae0b.htmlAs to seeing UP locos in Canada, there may be some arrangements between the two to use each other's equipment. A couple of years ago, I was in Wisconsin when a freight train went by not too far from the hotel. The lead engine was the familiar yellow and grey UP. I was surprised to see that the second engine was a bright red with Canadian Pacific on the side. See also this forum discussion. cs.trains.com/trn/f/111/t/50410.aspx
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Post by boxcarwilly on Jan 24, 2018 12:56:13 GMT -5
The acquisition of UP by CP was on the news and in all the newspapers up here 4 or 5 years ago. It was the talk of the town here for a long time as it was feared CP would pull its repair facilities and freight hub out of Calgary and move them to the US putting a lot of people out of work. That didn't happen. Also there was talk of moving CP's headquarters from the downtown core to Omaha as well in order to consolidate operations of the two rail lines, which also didn't happen. As for the UP locos up here, we never saw them until shortly after all this went down. You could very well be right about the special arrangement thing, but I have seen 2 or 3 lined up for service at the yard here. Co-Incidentally, the former CEO and president of UP became the CEO and president of CP several years ago and he made quite a few enemies with our former mayor and city councillors. He also had some very unkind things to say about our fire department regarding a CP derailment in the yard. He retired last year, but I don't know who took his place. As for Norfork Southern thing, I've heard nothing about that.
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Post by boxcarwilly on Jan 24, 2018 13:18:53 GMT -5
Clarification: Hunter Harrison was not the former president and CEO of UP but rather CSX. However, it was he who approached UP regarding CP's acquisition.
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Post by notanothercamera on Jan 28, 2018 12:40:55 GMT -5
I believe CP was trying to purchase NS back in 2017. It made big news (sort of) here in Charlotte as NS has a rather active yard out by the airport. The last I heard the deal fell thru. Don't know why.
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