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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 12:23:34 GMT -5
Hello ... I found this. 1) Can I run it on my ( "in construction" ) NH/NYC layout from the 50's ? 2) Is it difficult to change the couplers ? What should I use : complete MTL trucks with couplers or MTL body mounted couplers ? (my minimum radius is 270mm by Rokuhan) Thanks for any answer ...
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Post by strummer on Nov 19, 2017 13:27:06 GMT -5
I can't say for sure, since I don't have one, but judging by the photos I've seen, and if you want to use MTL trucks, you will have to move the new trucks farther out towards the car ends. It appears that the Marklin trucks sit too far towards the center.
If this is indeed the case, then I suppose using the truck-mounted couplers would be the easiest; but I'm only guessing.
Another option would be to replace the couplers with the MTL adapter set they offer; but then again, the position of the trucks would still be way off...
Let us know what you come up with; the Marklin car is nice looking, and a good option to the centered cupola of the MTL caboose.
Mark in Oregon
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 13:49:34 GMT -5
You are right, I thought of this car as an alternative to MTL. I saw that the couplers are "very long", so one of my ideas was to cut them away and replace with "superglued" MTL body mounted couplers ; the only problem is that I would have to adjust the height ... if possible ! Lowering is easy with some evergreen plates between the coupler and the chassis, but raising would need some milling ; fortunately I have the Proxxon MF70 (I used it in the past to simulate "planks" on Kibri and Faller houses) ... So, what do You think about body mounted couplers (MTL 905, former number) ? I must add that they would couple to truck mounted versions (MTL or FT).
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Post by markm on Nov 19, 2017 14:39:57 GMT -5
There are quite a few ways to deal with this car. 1. Build a transition car replacing one truck with an MTL Märklin coupler truck. The caboose would always run behind that car. 2. Replace the coupler. Using a chisel blade scrape off the head of the hot melt pins holding the bottom plate to the coupler box. Remove the bottom (trying to save the remains of the pins on the box) and replace with MTL 905(?) couplers. 3. Replace the trucks. This will require filling the existing bolster holes and drilling smaller holes in a new position. MTL 970(?) trucks. 4. Get a Zealtory conversion kit: www.zscalemonster.com/zelatory/ #013. The kit provides a new spine for the car that snaps into the Märklin holes and has holes the proper size and position for the MTL bolster pins. The process will require you to body mount the couplers. I've used this for an SP conversion and was happy with the results. I've also been satisfied with their tender conversion kit. That's about all I can think of. I think I've got the right MTL part numbers. Mark
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Post by rshimada on Nov 19, 2017 15:07:16 GMT -5
Thanks for that tip. I have a Märklin caboose that was converted to MTL couplers but it's not very useful since the MTLs are mounted too low.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 16:25:04 GMT -5
Thanks Mark but : - I don't like solution #1 because it will always "link" the caboose to one kind of train (I will run 2 freight trains, the first one with boxcars and the second one with hoppers). - And as far as I understood what "rshimada" said, solution #2 does not work properly. - Solution #3 looks for me a little bit like a "makeshift job". - And the system with the conversion kit #4 adds too much costs to the car.
Sorry, I notice that my question is running out of control (especially for the costs of solution #4). I saw the caboose on eBay and thought it was a bargain, but finally I believe that the simplest way will be to overlook that it exists and be satisfied with my two MTL-cabooses (I own the NYC and the Reading version) ... Thanks for Your answers !
PS : MTL #905 is a pre-assembled body mounted coupler, the drop-in model (used by" rshimada" ? ) is #902.
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Post by rvn2001 on Nov 19, 2017 16:56:28 GMT -5
I have left the Marklin trucks on the caboose. I carefully remove the Marklin couplers and coupler boxes and install pre-assembled body mount couplers to the platforms of the caboose. I use the screw that comes with the couplers. You'll need a MTL drill and tap kit if you don't already have one. This seems to put the couplers at the right height.
Don't give up...that is a good price.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2017 17:36:15 GMT -5
Thanks rvn2001, it was my initial idea ... But meanwhile I saw that the total cost (only for the caboose itself) is about 54$ (there are customs fees, too), I think this is too expensive for a USED item ! The price for a MTL caboose was a little bit more than one halfth of this amount ... NEW !
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Post by strummer on Nov 19, 2017 20:33:25 GMT -5
Hmm...that conversion kit looks like just the ticket. If I ever score a Marklin caboose, that would be the next purchase for sure!
Thanks for the link.
Mark in Oregon
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 1:55:49 GMT -5
I found another one in Germany (it seems that it "appeared" recently on eBay), no customs fees, total 37€, in "collector" quality ; so I will probably order it ...
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Post by cwrr on Nov 20, 2017 2:17:57 GMT -5
I've done 5 Marklin caboose's now with the Zelatory kit, takes about a 1/2 hour each, pretty easy and reliable.
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Post by neverland on Nov 20, 2017 6:32:05 GMT -5
I have one MTL hybrid that enabled me to run behind any loco. Yes, that means this car will be placed somewhere in my consist every time, but it works.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 8:25:09 GMT -5
I ordered the caboose in Germany and will use the method like "rvn2001" : cut the couplers from the trucks and fix MTL couplers under the platforms.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2017 10:49:29 GMT -5
Today I got my Märklin caboose. I put it on a piece of track together with a MTL car : I agree with "rshimada", using drop-in couplers would put them about 1 mm lower than the standard MTL-couplers (I don't think that there is a "shift" in height built into the replacement couplers, they look absolutely "flat" on pictures). So, two solutions : the solution of "rvn2001", direct replacement with couplers fixed under the platforms, or the "Zelatory" solution. But all the way I must unmount the original trucks, without using "brute force" ; how should I do, without destroying the "pivots" : simply pull them down (using a lever) or must I unmount the shell ? And, if so, how ? Thanks for Your tips ...
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Post by markm on Nov 23, 2017 12:08:14 GMT -5
Actually Brute force is the only way I know. The bolster has a rim that snaps into the chassis. Use a blade to pry the center of the truck: The Märklin truck I happened to pick-up for this picture is also one of my less than successful attempts to change the coupler. Mark
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